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    777 pilots to the 787, 5 days of training, no simulator time

    Manufacturer thinks pilots could make switch from 777 without full-flight simulator training by using new methods


    Boeing is in talks with the US Federal Aviation Administration and other regulatory authorities to allow pilots to transition to the 787 from the 777 without having to go through a full-flight simulator.

    "It is a challenging goal," says 787 training director Alfred Nader, who adds: "We're taking advantage of new training and teaching methodology to come up with a revolutionary training system for a revolutionary new aircraft." The system, being developed with Boeing's full-service airline training subsidiary Alteon, will include more advanced computer-based training (CBT) that is linked to full-flight simulators, and touchscreen, flat-panel trainers that will replace traditional CBT. "Desktop simulators will also replace traditional maintenance-based trainers," says Nader.

    Boeing is designing the standard 787 flightdeck for "mixed-fleet" flying
    Using a mixture of CBT, scenario-based training and flat-panel simulators instead of the current fixed-base and full-flight simulators, Boeing believes the transition from 777 to 787 could be accomplished in five days. "We think it's do-able," says Nader, who adds: "We've talked with the authorities and it could be achievable."

    To aid transition, Boeing is designing the standard flightdeck to incorporate dual head-up-displays, electronic flight bags and logbooks, as well as GPS-guided precision approach capability with a required navigation performance of 0.1nm (0.18km). The flightdeck is designed for "mixed-fleet flying" and to make conversions relatively straightforward for crews coming from other Boeing types, particularly those with glass cockpit displays from the 757/767.

    Crews coming to or from the Next Generation 737 and 757/767 will require eight days of "differences" training, while 10 days will be needed for crews transitioning from the 747-400 to the 787. The current transition time from non-Boeing types is 21 days. "We are looking at shortening that time from Airbus types to the 787 and any Boeing aircraft," Nader adds.

    To aid the planning and approval process, Boeing and Alteon have developed a pilot qualification plan (PQP) and a separate mechanic qualification plan (MQP). The PQP was first used for the 737NG, while the MQP "is a first for us" says Nader.
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    would be awesome to see it happen.

    While interviewing a few A343 pilots, I asked what they had to do to go from the 320 to 340 and they said a week but I do not recall if sims were required. I suppose so though if I read the article right.
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    wow that flight deck looks more like what the G550 has than a Boeing product. Looks real intresying. Good luck to Boeing with this though. For the Lears on another note to fly most lears you only need a diffrences training .
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    Is it me, or does it seem the right main is busted in the picture? Not the
    best shot they could publish if trying to show it to be reliable :P :twisted:
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