Body Scanners

[JetBlueAirwaysFan]

With the new body scanners being so controversial, I figured I would take an NYCA Poll to see what you guys think.

[cancidas]

don't care if they stay or go honestly. i've gone through metal detectors, through the bomb sniffers and will have to walk through these when the time comes. just the price of doing business these days...

[JetBlueAirwaysFan]

You know, its not the body scanners, its the passengers being "felt up" by security if they opt out. I know its still body scanner or groping, but I still think its a problem. I understand radiation concerns, and when there's a class action suit against the TSA (and there will be), that will be their time to speak up. This is my problem:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40278427/ns/travel-news
Maybe its just a little too far. If I see someone on the street can I go grope her breasts because I thinks she's hiding something?

My solutions for the other measures:
Metal Detectors: Don't wear metal
ID Required if over 18: Take ID out of wallet until out of security
Take Shoes off: Wear flip flops to travel
No Liquids: Take advantage of inflight service
Body Scanner: Not figured out yet (are they at LGA yet?)
Get felt up: Body Scanner

Are we able to ask to watch the TSA delete the body scanner images?

[emshighway]

You know, its not the body scanners, its the passengers being "felt up" by security if they opt out. I know its still body scanner or groping, but I still think its a problem. I understand radiation concerns, and when there's a class action suit against the TSA (and there will be), that will be their time to speak up. This is my problem:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40278427/ns/travel-news
Maybe its just a little too far. If I see someone on the street can I go grope her breasts because I thinks she's hiding something?

My solutions for the other measures:
Metal Detectors: Don't wear metal
ID Required if over 18: Take ID out of wallet until out of security
Take Shoes off: Wear flip flops to travel
No Liquids: Take advantage of inflight service
Body Scanner: Not figured out yet (are they at LGA yet?)
Get felt up: Body Scanner

Are we able to ask to watch the TSA delete the body scanner images?

LGA has one at the American Checkpoint. The image is automatically deleted from the system one the officer clicks the clear button. There is no way to save it and before someone points to a link saying they can be saved, the specifications say the only way the images could be saved were for testing at our labs in Atlantic City. Non at the airports can save images. Myself, Managers, Supervisors and even the Manufacturer Technician can do change this.

There are procedures in place that the officer in the room viewing the image and the passenger will ever see themselves so there is no recognition of the passenger with their image.

[Idlewild]

I believe that after ten years since 9/11, the traveling American public are getting fed up with feeling like they're the criminals. I don't think it matters that the images are deleted. The point is, the images shouldn't be there at all. We're being subjugated to pat downs, crack downs while bin-Laden is walking around in his bedroom slippers. Just a rambling thought on my part.

[emshighway]

Remember it was eight years between the first and second WTC attacks. They have tried again but process it place and I won't even say any TSA process have been able to catch them. Also a lot of luck and stupid terrorists.

They wait until we become complacent, it makes it easier to strike.

[JetBlueAirwaysFan]

First, the 1993 WTC Bombing did not involve airplanes. The second one did. I don't think these new security are going to help strengthen our national security but rather rip us to shreds. I look at all this as admitting defeat to terrorism. I mean, if you look at it, they did their job by leaving the US in Terror and acting on every crazy idea that comes to mind to protect us more, even if it involves public humiliation and complete invasion of privacy. Our economy hit the ground harder than it would have had the 9/11 events not happened and our country is pumping trillions of dollars into Iraq and Afghanistan trying to find one man that we can't track down and capture. The reason NY was a target in the first place is because it is a symbol of economic strength. Are we really winning the war on terror or is Al-Qaeda?

[emshighway]

I was there in 1993 no it didn't but when Ramsey Youseff was being brought back for trial a fiend of mine was in the helicopter with him. My friend said to him "see they are still standing" to which Youseff said "just because we didn't have enough money".

I pose the question back at you. What should be done?

[JetBlueAirwaysFan]

I saw a different version of the body scanner where the image is more generic and blocks point out questionable items being concealed. That may ease controversy. The pat downs are inappropriate...period. There's no room for discussion at least not with me. The body scanners need to be modified so its not so personal as mentioned above...period. That's my opinion and I think its fair and I'm not arguing/debating anymore.

[emshighway]

I saw a different version of the body scanner where the image is more generic and blocks point out questionable items being concealed. That may ease controversy. The pat downs are inappropriate...period. There's no room for discussion at least not with me. The body scanners need to be modified so its not so personal as mentioned above...period. That's my opinion and I think its fair and I'm not arguing/debating anymore.

What you saw is the next generation of the software for the same imagers. It will be on the screen at the machine and the officer in the room will go away. This will help eliminate the privacy issue. As far as the pat down, how do you eliminate the alarm of a questionable item both on the AIT and/or WTMD? The solution may be that there will be an AIT at every lane (TSA's goal) and a more targeted search can be done where those blocks show up. This will mean everyone will have to go through an AIT, no Opt Out option.

Right now the machines are big and tough to fit in smaller checkpoints but it is heading that way.

You can choose not to discuss it, it's your opinion which I respect. I am just stating the facts so you are more informed.

[emshighway]

Some more info from the TSA Blog:

http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/11/tsa-myth-or-fact-leaked-images.html

I'm sure it will be called propaganda :rolleyes: :wink:

[FlyingColors]

I think it's all a bunch of BS.
Except about the part of the radiation- that's a real danger.
The scanners will just be another tool to justify the exuberant and preposterous 9/11 money making scam machine.
It's inappropriate. And I'm fed up with the American public getting punished as a whole.
Good luck to the TSA workers around that machine- the only thing that will be flying at the airport will be lawsuits.
And what gives the right for some TSA worker to see someone undressed or groped? They are no doctor that is committed to a patient client confidentiality.
Why not level the playing field and have the TSA stand their nude, and if they touch my junk then let me get a fair squeeze too!

[puckstopper55]

I think it's all a bunch of BS.
Except about the part of the radiation- that's a real danger.
The scanners will just be another tool to justify the exuberant and preposterous 9/11 money making scam machine.
It's inappropriate. And I'm fed up with the American public getting punished as a whole.
Good luck to the TSA workers around that machine- the only thing that will be flying at the airport will be lawsuits.
And what gives the right for some TSA worker to see someone undressed or groped? They are no doctor that is committed to a patient client confidentiality.
Why not level the playing field and have the TSA stand their nude, and if they touch my junk then let me get a fair squeeze too!

From what I read, you are exposed to more radiation during 2 minutes of your flight, then during an entire scan. If the radiation concerns were legit, wouldnt the TSA all wear lead vests and have it in an enclosed room!?

People dont use their brains. They believe the hype that the news makes, because they are no longer in the news business. They are out to get ratings, and will twist any story to get you to watch.

[emshighway]

There was a passenger that came through the checkpoint today. Not the AIT but a normal WTMD lane. He cleared the WTMD (no alarm), all his carry-on cleared. He then turned around to the TSA Officer and said he wanted to Opt Out. It needed to be explained to him that he was already screened and was free to go to his flight.

Keep believing the media hype people.

[jerslice]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/23/AR2010112305250.html

[emshighway]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/23/AR2010112305250.html


LOL, there isn't even a scanner at his airport. Just proves anyone can sue for any reason.

[NLovis]

You know, its not the body scanners, its the passengers being "felt up" by security if they opt out. I know its still body scanner or groping, but I still think its a problem. I understand radiation concerns, and when there's a class action suit against the TSA (and there will be), that will be their time to speak up. This is my problem:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40278427/ns/travel-news
Maybe its just a little too far. If I see someone on the street can I go grope her breasts because I thinks she's hiding something?

My solutions for the other measures:
Metal Detectors: Don't wear metal
ID Required if over 18: Take ID out of wallet until out of security
Take Shoes off: Wear flip flops to travel
No Liquids: Take advantage of inflight service
Body Scanner: Not figured out yet (are they at LGA yet?)
Get felt up: Body Scanner

Are we able to ask to watch the TSA delete the body scanner images?

There is one issue with your liquid there. Since the airlines figured out ppl r taking drinks and food onboard with them the really short flights they dont even serve anything anymore. So if your flying on one of those short legs and you get thirsty your SOL.

[seahawks7757]

honestly that guy is an idiot. If it was anytime he left his house then yes, his 4th amendment right would be violated. But the thing is he is not forced to fly. He choses to fly there fore he makes the choice to put himself through what ever the TSA wants to do. There fore it is not a violation.

[moose135]

I went to get in my car this morning, and there was a guy claiming to be a TSA agent in the driveway wanting to pat me down...is that some new procedure, or did I get scammed? :wink:

[Ari707]

My question is if this is the best security why doesn't Israel use them? I was there last May, and the levels of security start as you drive onto the airport. There is a toll-booth where they stop every car ask you a few questions etc and either let you go in or pull you over for a search, as soon as you walk into the terminal you get questioned again ie: where did you stay, any relatives in israel, do you speak hebrew. then they send you to a security line. there my wife got asked the same questions, as he already knew my answers and he compaired hers to mine, all luggage is x-rayed and looked at in two locations so nothing is missed, then once heading to the gate the metal dectector you don't have to remove your shoes, as the screener said "thats only in America" ......

[FlyingColors]

From what I read, you are exposed to more radiation during 2 minutes of your flight, then during an entire scan. If the radiation concerns were legit, wouldnt the TSA all wear lead vests and have it in an enclosed room!?

People dont use their brains. They believe the hype that the news makes, because they are no longer in the news business. They are out to get ratings, and will twist any story to get you to watch.

You don't mess around with radiation.
I don't even get a check up x-ray at the dentist. If their is a problem then sure.

[seahawks7757]

Honestly, I have to be more careful of radiation then anybody. I have a disease in my intestine called crohns disease. I have to get CT scans done now and again. But I can't ever get mor ethen 7 in my life. If I do my chances of radation poisoning go way up.

[Tom_Turner]

For what its worth.... this guy/these guys don't think the radiation is safe... I am inclined to entertain the idea it is not safe.... though I suppose "safe" is a relative term.

http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/health_stories/blaylock_TSA_scan_safety/2010/11/24/363489.html?s=al&promo_code=B2FF-1

Its only a matter of time now... TSA and other FED scanners for schools, sporting events, malls, trains, buses, etc... at some point not too far away though, I imagine the Fed Govt will realize it is broke and that may or may not be the end to some of this "security"...

[emshighway]

FDA Information:
http://www.fda.gov/Radiation-EmittingProducts/RadiationEmittingProductsandProcedures/SecuritySystems/ucm227201.htm#2

Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, Radiation Safety Engineering Assessment Report for the Rapiscan Secure 1000 in Single Pose Configuration, August 2010
http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/jh_apl_v2.pdf

NIST
http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/nist_rapiscan_secure_1000.pdf

[mirrodie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLjNJI54GMM


Clearly the direction we need to head in.

[NIKV69]

LOL I love how the pax didn't even need to bring their own guns and that the FAs would hand them out and collect them when done.

[Cary]

Amid all the terrible news from Japan, this news was released this week:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-03-11-tsa-scans_N.htm

[emshighway]

Amid all the terrible news from Japan, this news was released this week:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-03-11-tsa-scans_N.htm

The technicians put the decimal point in the wrong spot or forgot to put a decimal point when they wrote it down on the survey form. I have been there when they were tested and seen the reading directly from the Geiger counter. All have been well low and below the recommended thresholds. TSA is retesting them because if they didn't everyone would complain anyway.