AF 447 final report. Discuss

[gonzalu]

Mario, Phil.... if I am at 30,000 feet or at 5 feet from the ground, I can tell when I am falling, eyes closed or not. Pitch black or fully lit surroundings. If the plane's nose is pointed down, you feel it, period. Am I wrong about that?

[PhilDernerJr]

Also, WHY WHY WHY was the FO pulling up? I dont understand! Im not a pilot but if I were losing airspeed, my intuitive sense would say to put the nose down.

This is the mystery....no one knows why he didn't revert to that day 1 lesson of flying Cessnas. Probably also why none of the other pilots asked him if he was pulling back.

[Cary]

Also, WHY WHY WHY was the FO pulling up? I dont understand! Im not a pilot but if I were losing airspeed, my intuitive sense would say to put the nose down.

It's somewhat similar to the actions of the captain for Colgan 3407...he actually overrode the stick pusher to pull up. I guess with all the chaos and conflicting information in the cockpit, some pilots just revert to their natural instinct instead of all the training they've gone through.

[Derf]

NEVER CLOSE YOUR EYES AN FLY....... NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER..... You trust your instruments over your eyes ALWAYS....

[NIKV69]

Mario, Phil.... if I am at 30,000 feet or at 5 feet from the ground, I can tell when I am falling, eyes closed or not. Pitch black or fully lit surroundings. If the plane's nose is pointed down, you feel it, period. Am I wrong about that?

Very wrong. At night with no horizon you have no idea what the plane is doing. As pointed out it is why JFK JR died. These pilots didn't not rely on their training or their instruments. Whether a result of being trained on a fly by wire aircraft or not it's pretty sad. This plane should have been kept under control.

[PhilDernerJr]

Nick's right. And when I say "this wouldn't have happened on a Boeing" it's because the FO's error would have been seen sooner and corrected by other pilots. The initial pilot error could have happened on any plane.