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    Hey Mike, that MD90 that Futterman saw. Isnth that relatively similar to the MD 90 EFD you once had at your facility?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirrodie
    Hey Mike, that MD90 that Futterman saw. Isnth that relatively similar to the MD 90 EFD you once had at your facility?
    Mario

    That is the exact same one, same simulator that we moved to Daytona.... So, you get to say that you flew that simulator as well.
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    So the ERAU sim used to be over at Alteon? Awesome! :)

    I was told that the sim was actually inteded for delivery to Saudi Arabian Airlines, and they had to remove all the AI traffic (other planes) from the program because they were all middle eastern airlines. Is this true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Mike
    Quote Originally Posted by IslipWN
    How much do those things cost?
    The full flight simulators can cost between $15 - $20 Million US Dollars.....
    That sounds about right....It was much more in terms of the cost of an aircraft back in the days...but that was probably because the computers. I remember the 727 sim had to be loaded with like 8- 8inch floppy's. Been a while since I have seen one of them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Futterman
    So the ERAU sim used to be over at Alteon? Awesome! :)

    I was told that the sim was actually inteded for delivery to Saudi Arabian Airlines, and they had to remove all the AI traffic (other planes) from the program because they were all middle eastern airlines. Is this true?

    Brian
    Negative, the sim was never planned to go to Saudi, Saudi Arabian Airlines ordered their own devices.

    As far as anything else, sounds like a bunch of tall tales.
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    hey Brian, was the Saudi Arabian Insignia still on the outsite of the sim that you used?
    And I, I took the path less traveled by
    and that has made all the difference......yet...
    I have a feeling a handle of people are going to be very interested in what I post in the near future.

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    Mike says the whole Saudi deal was just a story, but either way, there weren't any airline markings on it. Just a 'CAPT' prgram designation and what you see in this photo:



    The computers humming, air conditioner running, and the red lights in the hallway were just great...felt like one big huge Disney Land ride! :)

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    Excuse me for my ignorance and lack of understanding, but I didn't manage to figure out if Alteon's facility is open for the public to visit and have fun (for money), or is it a place for professionals only.

    I'm thinking about a trip to California in '06. Is there any chance of visiting Alteon for someone like me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futterman
    Mike says the whole Saudi deal was just a story, but either way, there weren't any airline markings on it. Just a 'CAPT' prgram designation and what you see in this photo:



    The computers humming, air conditioner running, and the red lights in the hallway were just great...felt like one big huge Disney Land ride! :)

    Brian
    Kind of, when we trained the Saudi crews, we normally used California airports, I am not even sure if there were any Middle Eastern airports in the database?
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    Futt, did you get any pics from the door side?

    i'll see if I can dig up what I am talking about.
    And I, I took the path less traveled by
    and that has made all the difference......yet...
    I have a feeling a handle of people are going to be very interested in what I post in the near future.

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    Yeah but the MD90 sim at ERAu has the Saudia sticker on it?!?

    OH and ERAU is totally overated and not to mention expensive ! IN order to use that sim you have to have a PPL and a 4-year bachelors degree, and the program cost over $80,000 that's why so few graduate! THe ones that do have fathers that make $250,000 workin for delta as captains!
    There are plenty of other good schools like ATP, who will give you your multiengine, instrument,commercial,CFI, and CFII ratings in only 3 months. And if they hire you after you graduate you can build up your hours and then evntually end up in the right seat on Expressjet because the two have a hiring agreement! and the University of North Dakota is just great because if you want to work for a major airline you can get yourself the aviation science bachelor's degree and every rating you need to become an F/O. But even when your hired you only use the sims right before you fly,after you passed all the system's test an junk like that, but if your gonna be a pilot you need to have that degree booyyyyiiiee!!!!!
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    I found your old trip report that talks of flying the MD90EFD, but, no pictures

    http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tr ... 6/#ID42614

    I will see if I have any old photos in the office...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirrodie
    Futt, did you get any pics from the door side?
    I think I may have taken some, but it looks like they were in the batch I accidentally overwrote (regretably) when I transfered from the card to the computer. I know we have video of it (the outisde), though!


    Quote Originally Posted by K9DEP
    Yeah but the MD90 sim at ERAu has the Saudia sticker on it?!?
    No, there were no indications of any airline whatsoever anywhere on the sim.

    Quote Originally Posted by K9DEP
    OH and ERAU is totally overated and not to mention expensive ! IN order to use that sim you have to have a PPL and a 4-year bachelors degree, and the program cost over $80,000 that's why so few graduate! THe ones that do have fathers that make $250,000 workin for delta as captains!
    You have a few things confused, here. The MD90 is not part of the AeroSci BS degree program, or any four-year degree program for that matter. It is exclusively for Riddle's CAPT program, which is for people who already have a BS (in anything, from any schoolbut, no flying time) and want to spend $80,000 to go from zero to airline pilot in one year -- one of our members here actually considered applying. As far as I know, neither the CAPT program nor the $80,000 nor the MD90 sim have any bearing on your graduation as a student. See http://www.erau.edu/capt/index.html


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    yes thank you Futterman, I never said to go to Riddle there you have to pay $80,000 but rather I wrote to'use it ' you would need a BS and $80thou, and BTW the airlines want to see that you have a BS in something other than aviation just so they know if someting happens you have someting to fall back on, ex. Buisness management or air traffic control, united's CEO told our class that in an E-Mail to my Flight Instructor, and also Riddle sent me alot of brochures and a cd-rom about the program and there are at least 5 pics of the sim with an airline sticker on it of Saudi Arabian Airlines or then that means the pics of the sim were just pics of the Middle -East carriers sims.
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    How much do you have to pay for the sim?
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