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    so many letters and numbers. what do they mean?
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    VMC = visual meteorological conditions
    IMC = instrument meteorological conditions

    The numbers in each column represent the maximum number of arrivals per hour based on weather conditions and runways in use.
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    Think about it, if 31L/13R is closed during a summer afternoon, and they use 22/4 for take off and landing, the new T5 parking garage will present a great spot for shooting the activities. Particularly if 4L is used for take off, all the European bound heavies will literally lift off in front of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JZ1
    Think about it, if 31L/13R is closed during a summer afternoon, and they use 22/4 for take off and landing, the new T5 parking garage will present a great spot for shooting the activities. Particularly if 4L is used for take off, all the European bound heavies will literally lift off in front of you.
    That could be a great thing...but a large group will definitely grab someone's attention and we will lose the spot. SHHHHHHH!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lijk604
    Quote Originally Posted by JZ1
    Think about it, if 31L/13R is closed during a summer afternoon, and they use 22/4 for take off and landing, the new T5 parking garage will present a great spot for shooting the activities. Particularly if 4L is used for take off, all the European bound heavies will literally lift off in front of you.
    That could be a great thing...but a large group will definitely grab someone's attention and we will lose the spot. SHHHHHHH!!!

    Thats a good point, you dont want to track so much attention.. Remember, you're on the property of Port Authority.
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    Hi !

    Why does JFK not the same like Frankfurt Airport ? They closed one RWy at night an renewed it piece by piece. Every night circa 8 to 10 metres. They needed months for the two 4000m rwys, but at six in the morning they were ables to use full capacity...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManniGee
    Hi !

    Why does JFK not the same like Frankfurt Airport ? They closed one RWy at night an renewed it piece by piece. Every night circa 8 to 10 metres. They needed months for the two 4000m rwys, but at six in the morning they were ables to use full capacity...
    I don't believe a project like this could ever be completed in the US. Things are nowhere near as organized as they are in Europe when it comes to construction projects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iberia A340-600
    Quote Originally Posted by ManniGee
    Hi !

    Why does JFK not the same like Frankfurt Airport ? They closed one RWy at night an renewed it piece by piece. Every night circa 8 to 10 metres. They needed months for the two 4000m rwys, but at six in the morning they were ables to use full capacity...
    I don't believe a project like this could ever be completed in the US. Things are nowhere near as organized as they are in Europe when it comes to construction projects.
    That's a very narrow minded and baseless statement... Last I checked you weren't an expert in construction??? The runway and taxiway move in LAX was done in record time as well at T8 and T5 at JFK. If you spent perhaps 5 mins with the people involved with the rebuild of 31L/13R you'd retract your silly statement.

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    [quote=T-Bird76]
    Quote Originally Posted by "Iberia A340-600":3r7x19eb
    Quote Originally Posted by ManniGee
    Hi !

    Why does JFK not the same like Frankfurt Airport ? They closed one RWy at night an renewed it piece by piece. Every night circa 8 to 10 metres. They needed months for the two 4000m rwys, but at six in the morning they were ables to use full capacity...
    I don't believe a project like this could ever be completed in the US. Things are nowhere near as organized as they are in Europe when it comes to construction projects.
    That's a very narrow minded and baseless statement... Last I checked you weren't an expert in construction??? The runway and taxiway move in LAX was done in record time as well at T8 and T5 at JFK. If you spent perhaps 5 mins with the people involved with the rebuild of 31L/13R you'd retract your silly statement.[/quote:3r7x19eb]

    I may not be an expert in construction however I have a father who is. Having lived in Spain and visited many other countries in Europe over the past few years witnessing massive construction projects and hearing from my father varying contrasts between the industries in the two continents I've developed the impression that construction projects tend to be more organized in Europe.

    I apologize if I've offended you in my statement, or anyone else, but it was merely an observation I have come to make. As for T8 at JFK, I'm sure you'd no better then I, but was that not a rather delayed project?

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    These charts are interesting. I can't figure exactly what VMC (3200/4) means. Does it show average total daily capacity when arriving on 22L and departing 22R/31L ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedbird1
    These charts are interesting. I can't figure exactly what VMC (3200/4) means. Does it show average total daily capacity when arriving on 22L and departing 22R/31L ?
    I think that 3200/4 means 3200' ceilings (clouds) and 4 sm visibility (VMC is "Visual Meteorological Conditions"; IMC is "Instrument Meteorological Conditions", where you can't use a visual approach and have to use an instrument approach). For landing 22L, departing 22R/31L, it's 38 arrivals per hour in 'good' VMC, 34 in 'passable' VMC, 32 for most IMC and 30 for 'low' IMC (probably when you get into Cat II & III approaches).
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    Actually, 13L/31R can be used for departures. Jet Blue often departs from this runway even now. Larger aircraft usually taxy down to Rwy 31L/31R, which would be closed. I even recall several Concorde departures off from Rwy 31R/13L when the 4's and 22's were closed. It was rare, but it was feasible.

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    Speedbird, those departures were off of 13L, which is fine, but not 31R. Only prop planes depart from 31R, with rare exception due to noise abatement.
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    I may not be an expert in construction however I have a father who is. Having lived in Spain and visited many other countries in Europe over the past few years witnessing massive construction projects and hearing from my father varying contrasts between the industries in the two continents I've developed the impression that construction projects tend to be more organized in Europe.

    I apologize if I've offended you in my statement, or anyone else, but it was merely an observation I have come to make. As for T8 at JFK, I'm sure you'd no better then I, but was that not a rather delayed project?
    T8 was not delayed because of incompetent construction workers or disorganization. The project was redesigned mid point because of the dramatic change in the industry, a rather smart move that would never have been made in Europe because of the unions. Oh btw…T5 was opened ahead of schedule and under budget…another very non European thing.

    Port has come up with a very smart plan based on the job at task to rebuild 31L/13R. You've got the best in the biz running JFK. These guys do an amzing job given what they have to work with.

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    I think that it will be interesting to see once the project is complete. I would guess the runways will be more usuable by the A380. I mean..it would be more reliable for the A380s and any other widebody aircraft that needs the space.
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