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    US Airways to Order About 90 Planes From Airbus, Person Says

    US Airways Group Inc. plans to order at least 90 Airbus SAS aircraft valued at more than $10.7 billion to replace planes and add long-range jets, a person with direct knowledge of the sale said.

    US Airways will purchase about 60 single-aisle Airbus A320 aircraft, eight wide-body A330s and 22 long-range A350 XWB jets, said the person, who asked not to be identified before today's announcement at the Paris air show. US Airways, the seventh- largest U.S. carrier, chose the Airbus planes over Boeing Co.'s 737 and 787 Dreamliner models after months of negotiations.

    Newer jets would save money on maintenance and fuel and enable US Airways to fly nonstop U.S.-China routes as the number of daily flights between the countries more than doubles by 2012. The sale also is a victory for Airbus, which trails Boeing in orders of 300-seat jetliners like the A350.

    US Airways ``needed to do something because a lot of their direct competitors have already ordered the 787,'' said George Hamlin, managing director of Airline Capital Associates in Fairfax, Virginia. ``They also gain the efficiencies of moving toward an all-Airbus fleet for their narrow-bodies.''

    US Airways, of Tempe, Arizona, declined to comment on the order. Mary Anne Greczyn, a North American spokeswoman for Toulouse, France-based Airbus, didn't immediately return a phone call or e-mail seeking comment yesterday. Phone messages to Boeing after regular business hours weren't immediately returned.

    Deliveries of the A320s would begin about 2010, the A330s in 2009 and the A350s in 2014, the person said. The A320s seat about 150 passengers, while the other two planes can carry about 300 people, depending on how they're configured.

    List Prices

    The 60 A320s carry a list price of $4.38 billion; the A330s, at least $1.32 billion; and the A350s, $5.04 billion. Airlines generally negotiate rates below list price when ordering multiple aircraft.

    Airbus headed into this week's Paris air show with just 13 A350 XWB orders, compared with 584 for Boeing's Dreamliner.

    A 787 order by US Airways ``would have been a bitter blow to Airbus,'' Hamlin said. ``This was one they could not afford to lose.''

    Airbus, a unit of European Aerospace & Defence Co., needs 100 firm orders for the A350 XWB at the Paris show to signal that the planemaker is making a comeback, said Richard Aboulafia, vice president of consulting firm Teal Group in Fairfax, Virginia.

    Order Modified

    For US Airways, buying A350 XWBs is a modification to an order for 20 A350s that the carrier placed in November 2005. That transaction came in exchange for a $250 million Airbus loan that helped finance the merger of US Airways and America West Holdings Corp.

    US Airways has 358 aircraft in its main jet fleet: 205 from Airbus, 148 from Chicago-based Boeing and five from Brazil's Embraer. The A320s will replace the airline's 55 Boeing 737- 300s, while the wide-body jets will enable the carrier to retire models including Airbus A330s and Boeing 767ERs, US Airways has said.

    The carrier's twin-engine 737s date to the late 1980s and are its oldest aircraft, according to Airclaims, an industry database.

    US Airways already had 37 firm orders for Airbus planes to be delivered in 2008 through 2010 and also has firm orders for 22 Embraer E190s. Those 100-seat jets will be delivered this year through 2012.

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    I saw this coming, US was using Boeing as a negotiating tool
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    US should keep OUR economy going. Yay for outsourcing!!!! NOT!
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    Saw this on Yahoo just a few mins ago..

    just saw this on Yahoo , no mention of a narrowbody order


    [quote:ab92f]11 minutes ago

    EADS (EAD.PA) (EAD.DE) unit Airbus has clinched a U.S. Airways (NYSE:LCC - news) order for 22 A350 XWB planes worth more than $4 billion at list prices, sources said on Monday.

    Together with 80 A350 XWB orders expected from Qatar, that would nudge Airbus to over 100 orders for its crucial new plane that will compete with Boeing's 787, which has almost 600 orders.
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    Consistent

    At least they are consistent --stepping over dollars to save dimes.

    A Boeing order would have made more sense....widebodies much sooner.

    And airplanes actually CAPABLE of transcons fully loaded.

    Watch the new A320's will have 200 seats (and I am NOT talking about a 321!)
    It's the fares, stupid

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    I wonder what kind of deal Airbus gave them? 2 for 1 or perhaps 1 for 5.....It doesn't make any sense to order the A350 at this point, this puts US behind airlines like CO and NW who'll be flying newer planes on competing routes.

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    The 787 would of been the better choice in my opinion
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    I am disgusted by this order. No other words.
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    USAir already owns a lot of A320s and A330s...nothing like throwing bad money after good, eh?

    (Is the A350 going to share a type rating with the A320 and A330?)

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    Apparently this is too harsh for the lovely A.net mods... Mario ;) j/k

    MORONS!! Don't get me wrong Im an Airbus fan. But this is going in the opposite direction then what the company wants to go in. More narrowbody Airbii.... Great more Tech stops on those Transcons, can't wait! They say they are very committed to increasing Intl service in a very short period of time - That will happen with A350s... That are coming in what now 2013?!?!? I just cannot believe they didnt go Boeing. I will still wait to see the companys press release to hear why they made this decision other than price if any other reasons. I think the head of the Fleet Analyst Team should be fired IMO.

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    I am very surprised that US Airways went with Airbus, I was so sure they where leaning towards Boeing.

    Well at least we will finally see a US Airways A330-200!

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    It is extremely unfortuneate we have just shot ourselves in the foot for ANOTHER 20+ years by ordering these peices of garbage that wecall 321's and 320's as well as an airplane we are not even sure of the unveiling date on. Horrible decision. Utterly disgusting that US did not go with Boeing but instead went with the "paper airplane."
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiss srq
    It is extremely unfortuneate we have just shot ourselves in the foot for ANOTHER 20+ years by ordering these peices of garbage that wecall 321's and 320's
    Please explain...

    Does it seem very unfortunate to save money on converting the technical/maintenance base which is A32S oriented? With 737's going is there any sense to split up the medium range fleet yet again. Fleet commonality is a huge money saver.

    As for the reliability and your experience with Airbus planes vs. 737NG, I would ask for a clearer explanation of why US came out loosing on this deal. I'm just hoping that what ever you said here has its merits in facts, not opinions and bandwagonism, which this board is full of.

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    [quote=SP-LPB]
    Quote Originally Posted by "hiss srq":18c20
    It is extremely unfortuneate we have just shot ourselves in the foot for ANOTHER 20+ years by ordering these peices of garbage that wecall 321's and 320's
    Please explain...

    Does it seem very unfortunate to save money on converting the technical/maintenance base which is A32S oriented? With 737's going is there any sense to split up the medium range fleet yet again. Fleet commonality is a huge money saver.

    As for the reliability and your experience with Airbus planes vs. 737NG, I would ask for a clearer explanation of why US came out loosing on this deal. I'm just hoping that what ever you said here has its merits in facts, not opinions and bandwagonism, which this board is full of.[/quote:18c20]
    I work in Operation Control at LGA. My job is to handle every last detail of a flight from flight plan to load plan to ramp control which is where my ATC work and knowladge is, fuel control and uplift data, and a zillion other issues. Previous to this I was a station trainer/ maneger for a companyy in Florida that handled all of the outsourced stations of CO, FL, B6, US, Can Jet, AC, Jetsgo, UA @ RSW CapeAir, and Ryan International. My job is to know these things. I deal with it day after day after day. Not to mention though it bares zero relevance to it but I was a LR25/35 F/O for a short time. I know because I deal with the adversity of these airplanes constantly from the balance issues with the 321 and 319, or the fact that the 330 is slightly underpowered in the USAirways varient. This airplane order should have went the other way. Did I forget to m ention that winter winds mean many unscheduled Vegas stops which creates crew time issues, aircraft out of place issues, and if it cancels due to mx you have to shuffle all over the place. USAirways is looking to expand and do it fast. Airbus was not in the best intrest of that. Boeing offered earlier slots and the order was on the books untill last night when it dissapeared. They had confirmed slots and garuntee on frames which they cancelled for that peice of garbage french airplane that is not even more than a theroy at this point and for all we know with the French track record this thing may take in upwards of over ten years to get in service for US so I think I am qualified to say what I say in this instance.
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    Also as another note on the tech side of conversion. Avionics and very minimal airframe conversion work would have been done had the 737 been the choice narrow body. The CFM is generally the same throughout as far as the 737 and even the bus go with diffrences conversion inbetween. The 737 type rateing is also standardize thus meaning it is a 5 day diffrences in classroom training and a quick sim checkride. Plus with n umbers on order like that a new fleet type would be justifyabe anyway. US just blew money they wont see a return on for a while now when they could have spent it on an earlier and safer return with Boeing or even had extra left over ffor this time period in our business we call a rainy day.
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