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    WSJ: Was Pelosi's Syria Trip a Felony?

    Illegal Diplomacy: Did Nancy Pelosi commit a felony when she went to Syria?

    BY ROBERT F. TURNER
    Friday, April 6, 2007 11:30 a.m. EDT

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi may well have committed a felony in traveling to Damascus this week, against the wishes of the president, to communicate on foreign-policy issues with Syrian President Bashar Assad. The administration isn't going to want to touch this political hot potato, nor should it become a partisan issue. Maybe special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, whose aggressive prosecution of Lewis Libby establishes his independence from White House influence, should be called back.

    The Logan Act makes it a felony and provides for a prison sentence of up to three years for any American, "without authority of the United States," to communicate with a foreign government in an effort to influence that government's behavior on any "disputes or controversies with the United States." Some background on this statute helps to understand why Ms. Pelosi may be in serious trouble.

    President John Adams requested the statute after a Pennsylvania pacifist named George Logan traveled to France in 1798 to assure the French government that the American people favored peace in the undeclared "Quasi War" being fought on the high seas between the two countries. In proposing the law, Rep. Roger Griswold of Connecticut explained that the object was, as recorded in the Annals of Congress, "to punish a crime which goes to the destruction of the executive power of the government. He meant that description of crime which arises from an interference of individual citizens in the negotiations of our executive with foreign governments."

    The debate on this bill ran nearly 150 pages in the Annals. On Jan. 16, 1799, Rep. Isaac Parker of Massachusetts explained, "the people of the United States have given to the executive department the power to negotiate with foreign governments, and to carry on all foreign relations, and that it is therefore an usurpation of that power for an individual to undertake to correspond with any foreign power on any dispute between the two governments, or for any state government, or any other department of the general government, to do it."

    Griswold and Parker were Federalists who believed in strong executive power. But consider this statement by Albert Gallatin, the future Secretary of the Treasury under President Thomas Jefferson, who was wary of centralized government: "it would be extremely improper for a member of this House to enter into any correspondence with the French Republic . . . As we are not at war with France, an offence of this kind would not be high treason, yet it would be as criminal an act, as if we were at war." Indeed, the offense is greater when the usurpation of the president's constitutional authority is done by a member of the legislature--all the more so by a Speaker of the House--because it violates not just statutory law but constitutes a usurpation of the powers of a separate branch and a breach of the oath of office Ms. Pelosi took to support the Constitution.

    The Supreme Court has spoken clearly on this aspect of the separation of powers. In Marbury v. Madison, Chief Justice John Marshall used the president's authority over the Department of State as an illustration of those "important political powers" that, "being entrusted to the executive, the decision of the executive is conclusive." And in the landmark 1936 Curtiss-Wright case, the Supreme Court reaffirmed: "Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude, and Congress itself is powerless to invade it."

    Ms. Pelosi and her Congressional entourage spoke to President Assad on various issues, among other things saying, "We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace." She is certainly not the first member of Congress--of either party--to engage in this sort of behavior, but her position as a national leader, the wartime circumstances, the opposition to the trip from the White House, and the character of the regime she has chosen to approach make her behavior particularly inappropriate.

    Of course, not all congressional travel to, or communications with representatives of, foreign nations is unlawful. A purely fact-finding trip that involves looking around, visiting American military bases or talking with U.S. diplomats is not a problem. Nor is formal negotiation with foreign representatives if authorized by the president. (FDR appointed Sens. Tom Connally and Arthur Vandenberg to the U.S. delegation that negotiated the U.N. Charter.) Ms. Pelosi's trip was not authorized, and Syria is one of the world's leading sponsors of international terrorism. It has almost certainly been involved in numerous attacks that have claimed the lives of American military personnel from Beirut to Baghdad.

    The U.S. is in the midst of two wars authorized by Congress. For Ms. Pelosi to flaunt the Constitution in these circumstances is not only shortsighted; it may well be a felony, as the Logan Act has been part of our criminal law for more than two centuries. Perhaps it is time to enforce the law.

    Mr. Turner was acting assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs in 1984-85 and is a former chairman of the ABA standing committee on law and national security.
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    lynch this idiot already!!!! Oh umm I mean, I hope someone steps up and goes after this. This lady thinks that anything she does is okay. It is total crap. First she whines about a G-4 than it is this and that now she just goes over the lines of sanity as far as logic with this move. We do not make friends with evil people, we do not go shake the hand of those who want to kill us and Syria has it out for us. Give them a missle with enough range and I do not care how much cash and assistance wer send over there someplace on the east coast there will be a massive burning crater a few miles wide from Syria!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiss srq
    We do not make friends with evil people, we do not go shake the hand of those who want to kill us and Syria has it out for us.
    Except we did talk to the Soviet Union for all those years during the Cold War, and trust me, the Soviets were in a much better position to harm to the US than Syria will ever be. Not talking to people leads to bad things. There is no way to influence their actions or ideas if we refuse to talk.

    Maybe some people missed this story, it was before Pelosi (and several other Congressmen, including 3 Republicans) visited Syria:

    Posted on Sun, Apr. 01, 2007
    Lawmakers visit Syria to discuss ties
    By ALBERT AJI
    U.S. House members meeting with President Bashar Assad Sunday said they believed there was an opportunity for dialogue with the Syrian leadership.

    The U.S. House members, who included Virginia Republican Frank Wolf, Pennsylvania Republican Joe Pitts and Alabama Republican Robert Aderholt, also said they had raised with Syrian officials the issue of stopping the alleged flow of foreign fighters from Syria to Iraq.

    In a statement issued by the U.S. Embassy in Damascus, the congressmen said they had talked about "ending support for Hezbollah and Hamas, recognizing Israel's right to exist in peace and security, and ceasing interference in Lebanon."

    "We came because we believe there is an opportunity for dialogue," the statement said. "We are following in the lead of Ronald Reagan, who reached out to the Soviets during the Cold War," it added.

    Syria's official news agency said Assad discussed U.S.-Syria relations and the latest developments in the Middle East with the representatives.
    No outrage from the current administration over that visit?

    How about this old nugget:
    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/hastert-colombia

    In 1997, Rep. Dennis Hastert (R-IL) led a delegation to Colombia at a time when U.S. officials were trying to attach human rights conditions to U.S. security assistance programs. Hastert specifically encouraged Colombian military officials to “bypass” President Clinton and “communicate directly with Congress.”

    …a congressional delegation led by Rep. Dennis Hastert (R-IL) which met with Colombian military officials, promising to “remove conditions on assistance” and complaining about “leftist-dominated” U.S. congresses of years past that “used human rights as an excuse to aid the left in other countries.” Hastert said he would to correct this situation and expedite aid to countries allied in the war on drugs and also encouraged Colombian military officials to “bypass the U.S. executive branch and communicate directly with Congress.”

    Subsequently, U.S. Ambassador to Colombia Myles Frechette sent a cable complaining that Hastert’s actions had undermined his leverage with the Colombian military leadership.

    In other instances, Hastert actually guided congressional staff to unilaterally reach deals with Colombian officials:

    House Foreign Affairs Committee staff, at the direction of the Hastert group, would fly to Colombia, meet with the nation’s anti-narcotics police and negotiate the levels and terms of assistance, the scope of the program and the kinds of equipment that would be needed. Rarely were the U.S. diplomatic personnel in our embassy in Bogata consulted about the “U.S.” position in these negotiations, and in a number of instances they were excluded from or not even made aware of the meetings.
    Maybe Mr. Hastert is due for a little time in the Big House?

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    The conflict with Syria lies on a diffrent page than did the conflict with the Soviet Union all due respet to your opinions and the articles above. Syria in a great many ways is harder to fight. It is partially the "direct" goverment of that nation which the issues lie with BUT it is a gorilla issue really. Within the nation there are several diffrent groups we are fighting. You cannot deal with a conflict like this one in the middle east that way because you cannot bargan etc with multiple parties on the same side of the table when the deal they want is diffrent in certain way from one end of the table ot to the other. Pelosi does not belong over there. This lady has already in many ways shown she is out for herself and her ownm political agenda. No one elses but her own.
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    Nancy Pelosi, much like Harry Reid has basically lost her mind. I think they are starting to see that the Democrats have a tough battle for the white house and if things progress the way they have been a Republican will be in the white house in 08' and will veto everything they pass that doesn't carry the 2/3 majority. So now their only hope is to try to get the troops out fast and to try to ingratiate themselves to the middle east as Bush haters. Under the surface this is very dangerous and most if not all of the middle east thinks her to be a huge buffoon, which she is living up to quite nicely.
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    That news story is really useless, it really is, what a waste of journalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bird76
    That news story is really useless, it really is, what a waste of journalism.
    Well said. Everyone is now more stupid for having read it.
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    There are huge differences between the Republican congressmen going to Syria and Nancy Pelosi going to Syria:

    a. The congressmen did so with the blessing of the White House and only passed messages to the Syrians that were approved by the White House. Pelosi's words were not vetted by the executive branch, which can lead to contradictions and mixed messages in future communications between the executive branch and Syria.

    b. The message Syria gets when we send run-of-the-mill lawmakers to speak to them is "you don't get to talk to anyone consequential until you make some progress." A visit from the third in line for the American throne borders on appeasement.

    c. When a political enemy of the President begins talks with a foreign enemy leader against the President's will, especially a woman, all of our Middle Eastern and Muslim worshiping enemies see it as a sign of weakness in the President, and consequentially our military, and emboldens them.

    What Hastert did was wrong too, but our relationship with Colombia is inconsequential compared to what we do in the Middle East.
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    [quote=Phil D.]
    Quote Originally Posted by "T-Bird76":dbc00
    That news story is really useless, it really is, what a waste of journalism.
    Well said. Everyone is now more stupid for having read it.[/quote:dbc00]
    It was an op-ed piece, not a hard news story. Clearly there is no chance Pelosi will be prosecuted, but it does put into perspective why the White House is pissed and why what she did is wrong from an international relations point of view. Furthermore, this can only hurt her anti-war efforts at home...even the mainstream press outlets that normally kiss her ass (NY Times, major networks) have given her a hard time about this.
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    An interesting read from the generally excellent WSJ... However the law seems to come down to this...

    "without authority of the United States,"

    Interesting to read the Supreme Court opinons and the lawmakers, but why not give us the whole law - as written. If it is simply "without authority of the United States," then really there is nothing here....

    Does remind me of Jesse Jackson's trips abroad however...

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