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    Hundreds stranded on planes at JFK

    Yup, another event at JFK.

    Hundreds stranded on planes at JFK

    By DAVID B. CARUSO and JENNIFER PELTZ, Associated Press Writers
    1 hour, 50 minutes ago

    NEW YORK - Hundreds of passengers were stranded for hours overnight on airliners that couldn't take off from John F. Kennedy International Airport because of the ice and snow storm that pummeled the Northeast.

    The exact number of planes stuck on the tarmac was unclear, but irate passengers reported that the problems affected several airlines. Pilots and officials blamed some of the problems on a shortage of deicing fluid and a new federal regulation giving pilots a narrow window to get their planes in the air once the chemicals are applied. The change has meant some jets need to get doused repeatedly if their takeoffs are delayed.

    Rahul Chandran said he was trapped aboard a Cathay Pacific Airways jet from midnight until nearly 9:30 a.m. Saturday, when the flight to Vancouver was finally canceled.

    Throughout the night, the pilot repeatedly described problems with deicing equipment, including a lack of fluid, that kept the plane waiting endlessly to have its wings sprayed. When the airline finally gave up and tried to return the plane to its terminal, it took at least another hour to arrange a gate, he said.

    "You can't keep your passengers on the plane for 9 1/2 hours," said Chandran, 30, of New York City. "They kept saying 'half an hour more, 45 minutes more.' But by the time it got to hour six, we were pretty much accepting that we weren't going to go ... At least in the terminal, you can get up and walk around."

    The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which operates the metropolitan area's airports, said airlines — not the airport — are responsible for supplying and maintaining terminal deicing equipment.

    Port Authority aviation director Bill DeCosta said airport operators and the carriers need to collectively work out a solution quickly to what is evolving as a major problem with deicing.

    Just last month, JetBlue stranded passengers on several planes for up to 10 1/2 hours during a similar storm. At the time, the airline said its inability to get planes deiced in accordance with the new FAA rules was a factor.

    "We and the carriers need to sit down and find out whether there is anything we can do," DeCosta said. "I know there are a lot of irate passengers, and they have a right to be."

    Other airlines that reported problems included South Korean carrier Asiana Airlines, the charter company Miami Air and Royal Air Maroc, the national airline of Morocco. Royal Air Maroc kept one plane full of passengers on the tarmac for nearly 14 hours, DeCosta said. Two Virgin Atlantic flights — one diverted from Boston — also were kept at a standstill for hours, spokeswoman Brooke Lawer said.

    One flight sat from 9:45 p.m. until 4 a.m., when it was canceled.

    "I know that deicing was a significant factor," Lawer said.

    From Friday to Saturday morning, more than 3,600 commuter and mainline flights were canceled nationwide because of the effects of the storm. JetBlue, US Airways, Delta Air Lines and American Airlines all reported cancellations.

    For this storm, JetBlue took no chances of a repeat of last month's problems. It canceled about 400 of 550 of all scheduled flights across the country Friday because of the weather, rather than risk leaving more people stuck aboard idle planes. JetBlue expected mostly normal operations Saturday, said spokeswoman Jenny Dervin.

    Friday's snow, ice and rain storm closed schools in parts of the Northeast and made highways treacherous. The weather was blamed for nearly a dozen traffic deaths in New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Maryland.
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    Just hope you have a camera and a nice clean window! That must stink though.
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    Even I wouldn't want to be stranded on a plane for 10 hours. As much as I love airplanes, that is just too long!
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    Oh of course. Then there is the sleeping pills you luckily bought before the flight.
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    Mark my words.

    That day is approaching when one day, a passenger is going to completely go nuts after being locked up on the plane for 5+ hours.

    They will open the emergency exit doors and run out on that tarmac, heading straight for the terminals. They'll probably be tackeld by some PA police, it will make breaking news on CBS 880 AM and soon the media will quickly be trying to confirm whether or not it was a case of terrorism vs Passengers Gone Wild.

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    Hey just think, if you are stranded on a jet long enough, you might have a front row view of the A-380 landing on Monday :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirrodie
    Mark my words.

    That day is approaching when one day, a passenger is going to completely go nuts after being locked up on the plane for 5+ hours.

    They will open the emergency exit doors and run out on that tarmac, heading straight for the terminals. They'll probably be tackeld by some PA police, it will make breaking news on CBS 880 AM and soon the media will quickly be trying to confirm whether or not it was a case of terrorism vs Passengers Gone Wild.

    The only question that remains is....who here is going to out up bail for nwafan20 when he does?? ;)
    Pfft, bail? Who says they will even be able to catch me!?!?!?! MUAHAHAHAHA :P Once quick punch to that PA police officer and I am home free!!! Or I could always just throw a donut his way, that should distract him long enough! 8)
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    Well that was me only two weeks ago and two weeks before that with Cathay Pacific. Two weeks ago we got delayed until 4:15am and sat in the terminal for 9 hours. Then two weeks before that we sat on the plane as they loaded cargo for five hours.....Great Airline but being ontime is a different concept for them.

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    Unfortunately the way the precip was falling last night . Just as you would finish deicing , there was ice accumulating very quickly, which of course a trip back to get sprayed again. I had to arrange deicing on the IAB ramp for my Atlas flight just so he would be able to get to 4L and takeoff without needing to redo everything. Unfotunately most aircraft were deiced 2 or 3 times but were unable to takeoff. This wastes a lot of fluid. Althought Ive never seen an entire airport run out , It didnt really come as a surprise seeing that this became a 24hr event.


    Some carriers attempted using the "tent" over by hangar 12 ( radiant heat ) however they soon ran out of type 4 there too .

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    What are the new FAA deicing rules that the airlines are citing as a cause of the problems?
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    All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them under control.
    I trust you are not in too much distress. —Captain Eric Moody, British Airways Flight 9

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    That might be me one day, I don't like being onboard for 4 hours in the air, much less 10 on the ground.

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    Here's what I don't understand, why is the deicing accomplished on a pad usually a fair distance from the runway? Why not just have the de-icers pretty much on the taxiway right before the runway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAF Pilot 07
    Here's what I don't understand, why is the deicing accomplished on a pad usually a fair distance from the runway? Why not just have the de-icers pretty much on the taxiway right before the runway?
    One difficulty there is that the airline hires oneof the several companies avaialble to do the de-icing. JetBlue does their own, and there is also Swissport, ASIG andmore.

    Those companies also do not have the authority to venture beyond their respective ramp areas to go outto the taxiways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USAF Pilot 07
    Here's what I don't understand, why is the deicing accomplished on a pad usually a fair distance from the runway? Why not just have the de-icers pretty much on the taxiway right before the runway?
    DTW has them fairly close to the runways, NWA had this set up specifically, and most airlines at DTW contract out to NW to do their de-icing:

    The red indicates normal de-icing stands. we have a ton of mobil ones though so they are really placed wherever they are needed.
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