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    Quote Originally Posted by mikephotos
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil D.
    I'll let Mike answer the other questions, if he chooses to. I feel that some of your questiosn are a little personal, and quite frankly, not your business.
    Since I don't work for AA no big deal but if I did, I'd say FU (not U Phil), it's none of your business hahahaha :)

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    nice one mike :shock: =P

    also to point out the orange glow - i said it kinda looks like it lol i was never implyin that it was - also btw this is my 100th post 8)
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    [quote="Mr Smith"]had to be removed because there is an investigation underway, he was asked to remove them by authorities, he passed the message on to the screeners and we had them removed.[/quote

    Interesting. I would have thought AA's corporate security would have been all over the pictures.

    On a related note, the LAPD blog stil shows photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lafd/sets/ ... 153722446/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winglets747
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Smith
    had to be removed because there is an investigation underway, he was asked to remove them by authorities, he passed the message on to the screeners and we had them removed.[/quote

    Interesting. I would have thought AA's corporate security would have been all over the pictures.

    On a related note, the LAPD blog stil shows photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lafd/sets/ ... 153722446/

    -Will
    that's just what we got in the email from the uploader...they'll probably be reuploaded at some stage.

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    Hey Mike, thanks for sharing that!

    I'm slow on the draw and did not see them before, very cool!

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    FWIW, I've been at the helm of a few turbodiesel engines when there turbo turbines did fail, and yes it gets ugly real fast too.

    (Of course you can just coast to the side of the road, no big deal, except for who has to pay for the damages)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derf
    An engine letting go is no big deal on a safety standpoint.... A disc letting go, shooting through the aircraft and into the other engine on the other hand will usually rock the industry. The Odds of a disc letting go are unreal and I can think of three instances were a disc let go...

    UAL DC-10 Souix City
    DAL MD-80 Florida
    747 Kalleta Cargo

    Blades blowing out are contained by the containment ring....the mass of a disc is unstoppable and as seen in the posted pictures....tore the underside of the aircraft and went into the other engine rendering it inop as show by the great pictures...

    I could not give a ratts ass about this airframe and is far as I am concerned it is a non issue on if it will fly or not..... Why this catastrophic failure happened and taking precautions to ensure that this will have the lowest probability of happening again should be the only thing this industry cares about.

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    One more that can add on to the list, that I can think of at this time:
    Mid 70's National Airlines DC-10-10, fan disc failure on engine #3, one dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingColors
    Quote Originally Posted by Derf
    An engine letting go is no big deal on a safety standpoint.... A disc letting go, shooting through the aircraft and into the other engine on the other hand will usually rock the industry. The Odds of a disc letting go are unreal and I can think of three instances were a disc let go...

    UAL DC-10 Souix City
    DAL MD-80 Florida
    747 Kalleta Cargo

    Blades blowing out are contained by the containment ring....the mass of a disc is unstoppable and as seen in the posted pictures....tore the underside of the aircraft and went into the other engine rendering it inop as show by the great pictures...

    I could not give a ratts ass about this airframe and is far as I am concerned it is a non issue on if it will fly or not..... Why this catastrophic failure happened and taking precautions to ensure that this will have the lowest probability of happening again should be the only thing this industry cares about.

    my .02c
    One more that can add on to the list, that I can think of at this time:
    Mid 70's National Airlines DC-10-10, fan disc failure on engine #3, one dead.
    I do not think that this incident could be added to the list becuause the
    engine went way over the maximum speed by pilot stupidity... The
    engine was not designed to handle what happened. For those of you who
    do not know, the Pilots decided to see what would happen with the
    engine if they pulled the circut breaker for N1, they wanted to see if the
    autopilot would overspeed the engine, with passengers on board!!!!!
    Sent debris flying into the aircraft and I believe one man was sucked out
    died. On a side note, it was just an uncontained engine failure and not a disc fracture either. They lost a bunch of blades and the fan Cowl....
    The three most common expressions in aviation are, "Why is it doing that?", "Where are we?" and "Oh Crap".

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    See the link.

    http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tech/A ... 3(National).asp

    First fatality on a DC-10.

    and be sure to read the bottom "Share Your Memories! " too about it.
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    "and the occupant of seat 17H was subsequently forced entirely through the cabin window.
    "

    Not fun at all...

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Colors
    See the link.

    http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tech/A ... 3(National).asp

    First fatality on a DC-10.

    and be sure to read the bottom "Share Your Memories! " too about it.
    Yes, but the three that I had listed lost the Discs...the National Airlines flight over New Mexico just lost blades... In case anyone is interested, the engine must be able to contain its largest blade in the case of blade loss, any jet engine can not keep the fan disk from flying out of an engine. To contain this, it would be too heavy of an engine. The risk analysis has to be such that this event is very rare...... The experts have info showing that this has happened three times in the last year alone. This is UNBELIEVABLY HIGH! A blade loss should almost never take down an aircraft (Like the DC-10 National), A disk loss give the airframe almost no odds of being usable again and a very low probability of making a landing. This IS a major issue.
    The three most common expressions in aviation are, "Why is it doing that?", "Where are we?" and "Oh Crap".

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    Here is a new and Pretty Amazing Shot from that day, wanted you guys to se it in case the photographer is aked to remove it !

    http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1059747/L/

    Cheers

    LGA777

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    wow that is great! well not great but great he was able to get a pic of it happening. AA can bitch all they want, that was taken from the hill and its fair game to anyone to take a picture of it and publish it.

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    Wow, that's a scary shot! Can you imagine seeing that while spotting? :shock:

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    The CF6-80A did have an AD a couple of years back about cracks sited at the dovetail slots on the HPT discs, with inspection and rectification instructions. I think one let go on an Air New Zealand 767 in similar fashion (turbomachinery section of the engine basically 'gone'), without any drama.

    However, that's not to say that this was related, other than the HPT being the culprit. Cracks have already been found in the recovered pieces:

    http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/article ... page=2&c=y

    The article is a bit exciteable in parts, but gives the general idea. Incidentally the CF6-80 is an absolutely superb engine, I'd be very surprised if this was anything other than a freak accident.

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