Banned from A.Net

So My account was banned from A.Net after I re uploaded a pic that I felt was wrongfully rejected. I had a pic already up of a full dc-8 in the boneyard and uploaded a pic of just the tail. They claim it was a double even though it didn't fall under the category of double under the rejection guide. This is how it reads in the guide, "For air-to-ground airshow, boneyard, and airport overviews, we accept both a wide view and closer crops of each of the aircraft visible in the wider view." When I appealed it the first time they told me that was only good for airshows.
Here is the pic that I have up already
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psdf50b15c.jpg
And here is the one that got rejected
[IMG]http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps952bb196.jpg[/IMG]

I can't figure out why your trying to get the 2nd photo accepted anyway. That first shot is fine.

Sounds like the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing, par for the course with my last interactions with A.net. I had a similar incident with them years ago, moved over to JP.net and never looked back.

The way I read that is: for a boneyard shot, you could do an aerial/elevated view showing lots of planes. Then you could upload one of each of the planes that are shown, even though they are already included in part of the wide/aerial photo. They should have better-defined "wider view", though.

My understanding of the rule matches what Cary has posted. But I'm curious - you uploaded the shot and had it rejected. Did you appeal the rejection, and decide you didn't like the head screener's answer, so you simply uploaded it again as if it were a new shot, hoping they wouldn't notice the earlier rejection, or somehow change their minds? That will certainly get you in trouble, although I would think a warning might be appropriate for a first-time offender. Unless this isn't your first offense, or you got belligerent with them...

Confused as hell here, first off it isn't an air to ground photo. Second, it isn't a double since it's a different angle from your previous accepted shot. Third, it is bad motive, not a great crop and slightly overexposed. Maybe rework the shot and try if the reinstate you.

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Originally Posted by moose135

My understanding of the rule matches what Cary has posted. But I'm curious - you uploaded the shot and had it rejected. Did you appeal the rejection, and decide you didn't like the head screener's answer, so you simply uploaded it again as if it were a new shot, hoping they wouldn't notice the earlier rejection, or somehow change their minds? That will certainly get you in trouble, although I would think a warning might be appropriate for a first-time offender. Unless this isn't your first offense, or you got belligerent with them...

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I appealed it and they told me that the rule I quoted was only for airshows. I re-uploaded it since there answer did match what there rule said and there was no way to re-appeal it. That was my first offense. What also bothers me is that before this I kept having the photo rejected. I finally fixed the coloring issue and exposure issue and they were only rejecting it saying it just needs a little more ccw rotation or cw rotation. Finally when I get it perfect and how they want it they decide it was a double and didn't want it. Like why could they not have told me that reason the first time they rejected it a month ago along with the exposure and coloring and level issues...

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Originally Posted by NIKV69

Confused as hell here, first off it isn't an air to ground photo. Second, it isn't a double since it's a different angle from your previous accepted shot. Third, it is bad motive, not a great crop and slightly overexposed. Maybe rework the shot and try if the reinstate you.

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I never said it was air to ground... If you are reading the rule from the rejection guide I quoted, the next word is boneyard. The pic I threw up here is an un-edited version. The re-worked shot it was got me banned. Before this I kept having the photo rejected. I finally fixed the coloring issue and exposure issue and they were only rejecting it saying it just needs a little more ccw rotation or cw rotation. Finally when I get it perfect and how they want it they decide it was a double and didn't want it. Like why could they not have told me that reason the first time they rejected it a month ago along with the exposure and coloring and level issues.

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Originally Posted by mtrain999

I never said it was air to ground... If you are reading the rule from the rejection guide I quoted, the next word is boneyard

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Yes meaning air to ground at boneyards. The double rule for static and moving stuff photographed from the ground is different and I think of you get the quality of the shot up to speed they will take it.

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The pic I threw up here is an un-edited version

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Why? Why not post the shot that got rejected?

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Finally when I get it perfect and how they want it they decide it was a double and didn't want it. Like why could they not have told me that reason the first time they rejected it a month ago along with the exposure and coloring and level issues.

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Can we see it? You may want to shoot the screeners an email and see when you can the ban lifted.

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Originally Posted by NIKV69

Yes meaning air to ground at boneyards. The double rule for static and moving stuff photographed from the ground is different and I think of you get the quality of the shot up to speed they will take it.



Why? Why not post the shot that got rejected?



Can we see it? You may want to shoot the screeners an email and see when you can the ban lifted.

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See this is the problem. Everyone I have talked to interprets this rule differently.
Is there a way to post it or get a url from the rejected photos? If not I will have to upload it to get the URL. I just use photo bucket and it makes it look like crap.

Yea go to photographers corner at anet and you can find your rejected photos.

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Originally Posted by NIKV69

Yea go to photographers corner at anet and you can find your rejected photos.

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Yeah I know that. If I just copy the URL will it show up?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r....839802dhx.jpg

Again, in my experience that is not a double, looks level and is decent exposure but the motive isn't there for anet quality. Maybe if you ask Manny on the side he can give you some advice. Also have you been in contact with head screeners on your ban?

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Originally Posted by mtrain999

"For air-to-ground airshow, boneyard, and airport overviews, we accept both a wide view and closer crops of each of the aircraft visible in the wider view."

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I agree with Cary and Moose; what a.net means is they accept an overview and then a photo of each individual aircraft from an air-ground view.

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Originally Posted by mtrain999

That was my first offense.

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I thought a.net had a 3x warning policy but I don't know your past history with the site.

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Originally Posted by mtrain999

I re-uploaded it since there answer did match what there rule said and there was no way to re-appeal it.

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If I ever strongly disagree with a rejected appeal I email the head screeners ([email protected]).

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Originally Posted by mtrain999

Finally when I get it perfect and how they want it they decide it was a double and didn't want it. Like why could they not have told me that reason the first time they rejected it a month ago along with the exposure and coloring and level issues.

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That's always very aggravating. It's totally understandable that the screener could have just overlooked it but it always feels like a waste of time...

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Originally Posted by NIKV69

Again, in my experience that is not a double

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That is a double; same side/same day. A.net generally wants the photos about 90° apart.
They will however, accept a nose close-up and tail close-up taken on the same side/day (example 2 in the guide).

Airliners.net Rejections Guide: Double Rule

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Originally Posted by mtrain999

Like why could they not have told me that reason the first time they rejected it a month ago along with the exposure and coloring and level issues...

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From what I've been told - based on questioning multiple rejections for different reasons - is that when a screener finds a reason to reject your photo, they don't go beyond that. If they find it dark, you'll get a rejection for exposure. Fix that, and they see the exposure is good, now they'll look closer and see it is soft. Add some sharpening, and now they find dust spots. It's frustrating, and they claim it saves time by not checking everything else if they see a problem. Of course that only works if you give up after the first rejection and don't upload a reworked copy...

Man, screw that site. They think they're God's gift to aviation photography. I stopped trying to upload over there years ago. Only reason to visit the site is the forums(they are a wealth of info on a variety of topics). There's some nice shots on there but the whole acceptance criteria thing is bats**t crazy. If I wanted to deal with that I'd fill out applications to go back to college

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Originally Posted by NIKV69

Again, in my experience that is not a double, looks level and is decent exposure but the motive isn't there for anet quality. Maybe if you ask Manny on the side he can give you some advice. Also have you been in contact with head screeners on your ban?

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Well like I said the first few times I had to change some colors and exposure and then after that every time I edited it it was either rotated to much one way or the other. The level was the only issue the last few times before this double issue. One of the screeners even commented to rotate it just a little more one way and try it again...

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Originally Posted by megatop412

Man, screw that site. They think they're God's gift to aviation photography. I stopped trying to upload over there years ago. Only reason to visit the site is the forums(they are a wealth of info on a variety of topics). There's some nice shots on there but the whole acceptance criteria thing is bats**t crazy. If I wanted to deal with that I'd fill out applications to go back to college

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Haha yeah I'm like kinda over it. They may not think my pics are good enough for there site and they may not be. I'm not going to go out and buy a brand new camera and get the best photo editing software to please a group of people screening pics. My camera works fine for the FB page I am part of with over 10,000 followers and they seem to love my pics on there so screw it. It really doesn't affect my life one bit at the end of the day.

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Originally Posted by megatop412

Man, screw that site. They think they're God's gift to aviation photography. I stopped trying to upload over there years ago. Only reason to visit the site is the forums(they are a wealth of info on a variety of topics). There's some nice shots on there but the whole acceptance criteria thing is bats**t crazy. If I wanted to deal with that I'd fill out applications to go back to college

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I was uploading my photos to aviation site that doesn't do screening. They say, it's ok to upload photos unless to dump whole CF/SD card on there. So, I was uploading there, at some point, photos started getting deleted with no explanations. I didn't say a word neither complained to anyone on that site about it. I got fed-up, when I uploaded 2 shots of AF1 - side and an angle photos, and one was deleted next day. I got really pissed about. My complaint about "hit the wall". I found, that some aviation "photographers" do upload VERY SAME photo as a different shot, but MetaData doesn't lie - some photos I've seen on that site from "Top photographers" - was shot exact time - by seconds...When I complained about - pointed to those photos, at the end I was the bad guy. I said: Screw them...and I prolly never will upload my photos to any aviation site, I just want to find a good site to organize my photos and others could be able to see - Flickr, SmugMug...I'll find one at the end anyways...
And...Thanks god I do know russian language...I found a very nice and friendly russian aviation forum(they do have some sub's for english speaking), very wide content, very active - at same time ~ over 1000 users are on...as I type, there are 795 - 83- logged in and 712 - guests...Most at the same time 7,769 - 18.07.2014 в 10:12.
About posting photos on FB, just not long ago I've learned, how to make a watermark on your photo. There a lot of loonies, who would claim they're spotters(they aren't) and all they do - steal photos and repost as their own...As I've heard, not only me, but others encountered same problem...

Planespotting is my hobby, I'm very new at it, I do try to learn about and to learn how to take better photos. But at the end, I don't want other people to deceide my photos are acceptable to some sites or not. I could(and I would be glad) to accept some constructive critics about my photos.
After reading all comments about Anet.net "screening", I do start to think, that there are some bunch of "screeners" with Very Tired Eyes(how many photos could you screen a day in order to take a Right Judgement?).
On the other hand, It's like uploading your photo to dpreview Photo Challenge - voters have different tastes - some vote for artistic values, some - for technical values of any given photo. But dpreview challenges don't reject photos.

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Originally Posted by moose135

From what I've been told - based on questioning multiple rejections for different reasons - is that when a screener finds a reason to reject your photo, they don't go beyond that. If they find it dark, you'll get a rejection for exposure. Fix that, and they see the exposure is good, now they'll look closer and see it is soft. Add some sharpening, and now they find dust spots. It's frustrating, and they claim it saves time by not checking everything else if they see a problem. Of course that only works if you give up after the first rejection and don't upload a reworked copy...

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That's not the way we teach screeners to screen photos. They are supposed to identify all rejection reasons the first time around to avoid iterative problems like you describe. of course it isn't always done that way by every screener but that is the intent.

Pete

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Originally Posted by mtrain999

So My account was banned from A.Net after I re uploaded a pic that I felt was wrongfully rejected. I had a pic already up of a full dc-8 in the boneyard and uploaded a pic of just the tail. They claim it was a double even though it didn't fall under the category of double under the rejection guide. This is how it reads in the guide, "For air-to-ground airshow, boneyard, and airport overviews, we accept both a wide view and closer crops of each of the aircraft visible in the wider view." When I appealed it the first time they told me that was only good for airshows.
Here is the pic that I have up already
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psdf50b15c.jpg
And here is the one that got rejected
[IMG]http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps952bb196.jpg[/IMG]

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I'm looking at the warning message and the ban message in the log, and I see a different story and reasons for the warning and ban than the story you are providing here. The warning and ban messages indicate the second shot was uploaded with a different date although it was clearly taken on the same day.