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The Captain might have been within his right to divert the plane somewhere if he felt the smoke would get him high, or maybe even declare an emergency.
Within his rights? Probably. The prudent action in terms of safety? Absolutely. However I'm sure that politics of it would have been tricky at best. Its sad that a pilot should even have to consider his future employment prospects when something like this is going on in back, but I would bet that played a large role in the decision to continue to the destination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil D.
Could also be how close they were to TEB when they decided to use the masks!! He didnt declare an emergency but he sure alerted the Tower to have the authorities waiting for them when they landed!! And looks like the apple doesnt fall far from the tree!! Dad sounds like an ahole also!!
Just more of Huge celebs getting special treatment. If this was Joe Schmo the crew would have acted much differently.
The pilots could get away from the smoke, but what about the flight attendant? He/she is subject to drug testing too, and didn't have the luxury of an O2 mask to get away from the smoke.
That scumbag - Bieber should be trown out of airplane without parachute...
While there's a guy - a hero, musician, who can write and release and album without able to move any parts of his body besides EYES:
http://youtu.be/wGFDWTC8B8g
That pilot should've went Bruce Dickinson on Biebers azz!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79573839@N02/12348414093/
Caution, language.
I think that is the reason why you fly private instead of commercial, so you can do whatever you want to do... Whatever happened to the door in the cockpit?
Who knows, maybe the pilot didn't get paid high enough to keep his mouth shut. Customer is a customer, regardless of the situation. N
ow, do we even know how much is too much? He could have said that from one joint... we just don;t know.
If the pilots utilized the oxygen masks then I would think there was enough for them to think the second had smoke could have registered in their drug sceen. Either like I said Bieber is just like Lohan. Going to be treated special no matter what he does.
I don't know the details of this particular aircraft, but even an air-sealed door does nothing...air usually gets cycled throughout the plane, both to-from cabin and cockpit.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzalu
Pilots can sometimes smell what you did in the lavs ;)
I was being funny... but seriously, this could not have been as bad as it sounded because when the plane landed, it was inspected and shown on national TV... if this had been that ad, the media would have been far more "all-over-it" than it was/has been.
Probably one or two joints... I can smell one puff of a join from two counties away, imagine one joint in a sealed tube with recirculating air. I couldn;t care ess for the biebster but no need to go blowing things out of proportion... :wink:
The captain is in command of the aircraft. From what I read the captain asked Bieber to stop smoking and Bieber was rude to him. If it was me as captain I would have used my mask, radioed for authorities, and diverted the plane. It is a) illegal to smoke marijuana in both NY and NJ b) isn't it illegal to smoke on a civil aircraft or is that just airlines.
Pressurized aircraft used to take a lot more bleed air from the engines and recirculated less. This was due to the both smoking and just how the initial designs were done.
Current aircraft use far more recirculated air to improve efficiency.
121 airline service in the United States is restricted for allowing passengers to smoke. I don't believe 135 air taxi falls into this, and certainly corporate part 91 does not.
The biggest problem with smoking on an aircraft is that the deposits on the outflow valves need to be constantly cleaned and cause more pressurization problems.
http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...1.1.30&idno=14
The key is "scheduled" service. So most 135 air taxi operations will fall outside of this, but Cape Air's scheduled Cessna 402 service would apply.
So the answer is Beiber's aircraft was permitted to be a smoking flight.
You people kill me with the regulations LOL.
You think if I could rent a Gulfstream that I couldn't smoke my Cuban Cigars? You're smoking! lol. Get real... I pay that much for a rental, I am effing doing what the hell I want.
I can just see Mike telling one of his customers, sorry sir, you can't do that ROTFL.
Oh well, there goes another job!
Generally smoking will tack a cleaning fee onto the charter, but when you're paying X thousand per hour to begin with, another few hundred to pay for the cleaning isn't going to faze you one bit.
Manny, with all respect to you...It's not about regulations...Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzalu
It about being as a human and having self-respect. If you don't have self-respect, you won't be able to respect others - pilots, flight attendents...
Let's say, today a "money bag" thinks that could smoke on a plane, no matter, how pilots or flight attendants feel about...
Tomorrow, some "money bag" will think, that he/she can pee all over the plane - why need to go to bathroom - "If I pay, I can do whatever I want to do"...
What's next? An ape with a bag of "federal reserve $$$ coupons" load a airplane with a ton of bananas?
Bieber is man made "star"...I don't think, he could sing anything without a phonogram...
And, before Bieber, there was another low-life "star" - Britney Spears - who was asked once by flight attendant to put her shoes on - just because, how whole airplane was smelling...
It's not about regulations...It doesn't mean, that the more $$$ you have - you become an ape....
Human has to be as a human, no matter, how much $$$ he/she have...
I don't care who it is. If I get smoke in the cockpit, guess what. We have a procedure for that, and I'm going to follow my procedure guidance to the letter. If I determine that the cause of smoke is human induced by a drug or cigarette, that ****'s getting put out. If it's not, you're interfering with a crew member and interfering with the safe operation of the flight. Once I have on the CVR that I handled it in a diplomatic, courteous manner, we will either continue on a professional understanding that there will be no more bull****, or I declare the emergency and fill out the paperwork. I could care less if I'm treated well or not for a single occurrence, because at the end of the day, that ship is under my command. Want to get drunk and throw up all over the plane? No problem. Just don't interfere with me or the crew and make sure you foot the bill for the cleaning service. Once that door is closed and the airplane is under my command, I have a zero tolerance policy for safety. Bieber? Couldn't care less about him.
#Rantover.
Music to my ears.
Apparently, the FAA has begun investigating whether what occurred onboard can be considered "interfering with a flight c
Mike, that's you, in public, with cheap customers. Everyone has a price, yours may be higher than most... but I guarantee you there is a pilot (or two) out there that would allow it for the right cost... period
Gintaras, I am not an advocate of wrongdoing, that's your job :tongue: since you've been detained for spotting and I have not been :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
All I am doing is pointing out human nature and other Darwinisms (appropriately today is his birthday)
It's funny, reading this thread and thinking about all the secondhand smoke my parents created every time we flew somwhere...instead of "put your cigarette out or we have to declare an emergency!!!" all I heard was "would you like me to empty your ashtray?" lol
And while we're on the subject, can I just say that Bieber is an effing no-talent ass-clown whose only true skill is to pull the wool over the sheeps' eyes...as a musician I am qualified to make that statement
You've never been detained because you're a double - Fidel Castro/CIA agent...but never say never...one day Bayswaters PD may not recognize you...:eek::tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzalu
As per OP: That lowlife - Bieber, supposed to be a model for millions of teenagers...Some spotters on here prolly have offsprings - teenagers and, I'm sure that these parents wouldn't want their offsprings to mimic their idol...
As of music value, I don't think that Bieber is any better than William Hung, just one was better promoted by record Co. than another one....
Manny, all due respect, most charter companies do not own the airplanes they operate. They operate aircraft owned by clients they manage.
Those owners are the ones who make the rules whether or not you can smoke on board. Some allow it, for a cleaning fee, others forbid it.
If it's forbidden by the true aircraft owner, and a passengers insists on smoking, there is no telling how far an owner will go to recoup the cleaning fee.
First off, it's most likely written in the charter agreement, that there is no smoking on board...if a passenger smokes, right there that is breach of contract.
And, that just covers LEGAL smokes...someone wants to light up the funny stuff there are bigger legal ramifications there.
Also of note, and maybe someone more experienced with actual aviation law can expand on this...but if the little prick brings pot on the plane without telling anyone, I'd assume there's a limit to how far we can be ignorant of that fact. That said, once the smoke starts flying I'd be very leery about continuing the flight now KNOWING that we have narcotics onboard, since clearly carriage of narcotics is forbidden by the FARs. Whether I can plead ignorance or not, I don't want that crap anywhere near an airplane I'm operating, whether it's being consumed or not in the cabin.
And I think Nick got the munchies.
John, no disrespect taken. I have no clue of the rules or the goings on... but I do know human nature. I am solely basing my opinion on personal knowledge of some of the lower forms of life I know :smile: