Not much news yet, looks like it came down short of the runway. The photos Imhave seen do not look good. Prayers to all involved.
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Not much news yet, looks like it came down short of the runway. The photos Imhave seen do not look good. Prayers to all involved.
NYCAviation:
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BREAKING: Plane Crash at SFO
Reports are coming in of a plane crash taking place at San Francisco International airport, involving an Asiana 777 that crashed on landing.http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/nycav...~4/xvfN7aj2jJY
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From the video I'm seeing it looks like she came in very low and clipped her tail on the rocks/breakwater at the end of the runway.
Thoughts and prayers for all involved, thankfully it does appear as though there's some survivors.
UPDATE: According to a former senior FAA official, he's heard from "good sources" that everyone got off safely, let's pray that his source is correct.
Turned to CNN on Sirius radio in my car when I heard about this and one of the first eyewitneses they talked to was a guy plane spotting in a nearby hotel.
And you have to love the pasengers who after deploying down the rescue chutes stopped to take pictures and go on Twitter!!
Judging by the live news-feeds it looks like the ceiling/top of the fuselage was on fire before it landed. Sounds silly, but, I wonder if a majority of the empennage was lost beforehand as well. I remember when the top of a Saudia L-1011 blew its top of 30 years back when it landed as well. I believe a faulty coffee maker or some such item caused the fire.
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Originally Posted by Idlewild
I disagree.
The first twittered pictures don't show any evidence of the ceiling being on fire. The first shots show that there is a fire burning on the right side. The fire appears to have extended to the passenger cabin & through the top of the fuselage.
Latest report indicates possibly 2 fatalities and roughly 50 injuries (burn/smoke inhalation).
The second I saw the video of the runway threshold and back, I figured he landed quite a bit short. He may have had a mechanical issue in the last seconds prior to touchdown, or he just blew the landing. And considering the fact he came in hard, I'd say it is probably the latter. Maybe he began to stall at the last seconds? Some people say he hit the tail, and then tried to take off again. We can only assume, I suppose.
In good wx and visibility how did he not make the runway? If it was fuel why no emergency call to ATC? Everything is pointing to sudden loss of power.
Interesting CNN not talking injuries though their crawl saw USCG medevaced person to hospital and AP report on KGO saying 2 dead, 61 injured. And FOX News not certain on that either. They are all awaiting "Official" reports but with Twitter, FB etc its hard to not have info get out.Quote:
Originally Posted by captmjk16
Amazing that there are only 2 fatalities being reported. I am guessing it will be easy for them to get the flight data recorder?
THANK YOU! One guy is even a "hero" for turning down a CNN interview after he tweeted his junk all afternoon. Hundreds of simple-minded idiots on Twitter are in love with him for not seeking publicity. Then WHY THE HELL do you post your crash scene photos on Twitter? Keep it to yourself man, only the NTSB needs to know what you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerard
Or major pilot error?Quote:
Originally Posted by NIKV69
I really disagree with you. CNN has been a reporting massacre when it comes to aviation...he probably knows they would just distort everything and make it out to be something different than what it is. He chose wisely. Twitter has proven to be a move reliable news source than any mainstream media outlet.Quote:
Originally Posted by RomNYC
Will not debate how awful mainstream media are, no question. Now, jumping to the conclusion that Twitter is MORE reliable, can't follow you there Phil. The guy posted his pics, before he had any idea what happened besides the fact that he survived a plane crash. Seeing a burning wreckage might be "news", but it certainly isn't "information".Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil D.
Besides these considerations (doesn't really matter if we disagree), I hate the fact that people are losing all sense in such circumstances nowadays. Your first reflex is to take photos of the plane crash you survived, when others might be injured 3 feet from where you stand? When you could possibly give moral comfort to someone in need? The guy is a hypocrite idiot as far as I'm concerned. And people call him a "hero" (check his twitter, @Eunner)? Please.
I'll repeat myself, you don't want publicity, don't post it.
EDIT: I remember a certain former member of these forums who posted pictures of the Air France A380 clipping that CRJ, a federal investigation. He got banned. Now we're praising some other guy for doing the same, for the sake of RELIABLE news? Let's try to be consistent around here.
That would be an understatement. In perfect wx and visibility that was a bad miss short. I think any pilot worth anything would have had enough time to thrust the levers forward and go around in time when they saw they were that off.Quote:
Originally Posted by RomNYC
"Hero" really? That is not a term I would apply to him for not seeking publicity!! Thats fine he wants to avoid the media but by taking that picture (which BTW I thought was pretty cool as an "on scene" moment, to be honest with you) he leaves himself open to the media hungry for those eyewitness reports!! How he deals with the media bombardment for info is up to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by RomNYC
He wasn't a passenger posting photos he had taken following the incident. He was an employee posting photos taken at work inside a hangar not accessible to the public. Two very different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by RomNYC
I don't know about the rest of you, but if I had just walked away uninjured from a major plane crash, and there wasn't anyone nearby in obvious need of assistance, I'd damn well take photos of it.
LMAO:biggrin::cool: I'm with you on this one!!Quote:
Originally Posted by moose135
I met a guy last year who was a passenger on the LOT flight that belly landed,and he took several photos after he got off the plane.
Doug
Sad to see that this was the first ever Boeing 777 crash which took 2 lives. from all the images I saw this afternoon, there was many odds about this crash. Pilot error is possible, cant say that though, for the nose being too high striking the tail, something wrong with that picture
Interview with a crash victim from the NBC affiliate with a video of the debris field on the runway ....
News link: http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...214499761.html
I'm with Moose, if able I'd be snapping away if not taking video, you never know how important those images could be in helping figure out what happened.
As usual the media outlets have been insanely ridiculous in their reporting, "this man is an expert pilot with dozens of hours in single engine planes" then the guy proceeds to tell them he doesn't know much about airliners as they grill him... Early on the anchors couldn't seem to identify an engine or a tail on one of the networks.
for what it is worth, here is remark from a person who saw the approach:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23214500
and here is the audio clip of the tower:
http://soberbuildengineer-com.s3.ama...KSFO-Crash.mp3
now that's a good controller. suddenly he had two jobs, dispatching of the emergency equipment, and maintaining his engagement with his duties as the tower controller.
I thought the same thing but it's sure looking like CFIT. The CVR will tell the tale. If you hear "too low! Terrain!" then not much of a secret.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta777LR
We have a member here from Korea here who has a sister that was flying home to SFO. She lost two front teeth and her husband broke his collar bone. It is so surreal.
R.I.P. for the 2 lives lost and hope for speedy recovery for the injured.
Radio Altimeter settings will be interesting to watch... As PWs would have power down (flare stage of the landing) well short of runway thrushold, and PF (pilot flying) realizing @ last moment about below the beam bar (ILS was inop) situation, attempts to go around and the tail strikes.
In any event, this could have been so worse if they were mere few feets lower at the strike point. Fuselage took immense G forces and did not over pitch down (could have flipped). OZ crew performed well trained evac in specified 90 sec or less with 1/2 exits available.
Raj
Actually his pic and those that others took while fleeing the crash are "information" for the investigating teams!!Quote:
Originally Posted by RomNYC
And its a sign of the times how social media had the information about this crash out before mainstream media. I was over by the Dave & Busters parking lot off of 1-9 at FRG awaiting the departure of their L-39 for a
few flybys. Earlier their Corsair had done the same. I was sitting in my car to get a break from the heat checking my FB NewsFeed when I saw a post "An Asiana 777 has crashed off the end of 28R at SFO" then seconds later a second post of a picture from across the water of heavy smoke coming from the downed airliner. Both posts were put up by someone I know who is in the airline industry so I knew this info was quite reliable. 3 minutes later I turned on 1010 WINS for their headlines at 3PM. They were still talking about the heat wave. At 3:20 still the heat. From 1010 at 3PM I switched over to CNN feed on my Sirius radio. They were talking about Egypt and in fact they didnt start to break this story until almost 15 minutes after I saw the first post on Facebook!! Dont have Twitter but I can imagine it was also blowing up over this.
I mean think about it getting a twitter post from a friend that reads "I just crashed landed at SFO. Tail ripped off. Most everyone seems fine. I'm ok, Surreal...." Yes very surreal!!
FDR, CVR are at the labs in DC now
An NTSB spokesperson (a person assumed to be responsible and professional) and Asiana Airlines (an entity assumed to be responsible and professional) are BOTH saying there doesnt appear to have been anything wrong with the aircraft prior to this incident. Asiana SPECIFICALLY says there didnt appear to be anything wrong WITH THE ENGINES prior to the crash. NEITHER have been able to examine the flight recorders or even speak to the pilots on an official level. I would expect this from elsewhere, but not from those who are supposed to have level heads. The world is obsessed with assigning blame for EVERYTHING before ANYTHING is known. If the pilots are at fault, then let it be decided by process, not by speculation, especially from those whos job it is to get to the facts. Ridiculous.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1392130
CNN is showning a video of the entire crash of Asiana that was captured. WOW
Amazing video. I am guessing the pilot of the plane on Taxiway has a good idea of what happened being so close and all.
I believe that was a United 747 that was holding!! That must have been crazy to see that and thankfully no debris impacted their plane!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny Ohare
The pilot of the United 747 had to hear a strange sound and watching that plane come in.
My question is does a pilot of a taxing plane like that watch the other plane coming in or is he too busy at hat point preparing for takeoff?
at that point all the checklists are done, save the takeoff checklist, your head is outside, you are watching something like that develop with a growing sense of disbelief. God have mercy.
Pilots most definitely like watching other pilots do their craft, as well as watching the planes they fly, fly (sic) ... When the Boeing Experimental 787 came into Newark for the first time, two pilots requested to hold short when they had plenty of time to leave before it arrived, just so they could watch it come in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny Ohare
I would be very surprised if at least one passenger on the plane had their cell phone pointing out the window for snaps or video. Would be probably the best vantage point.
Also agree that it is a miracle the plane didn't venture off far enough to affect the sitting B744!! All in all, considering what could have happened, it is still a MIRACLE on the Bay!
The ATC recording actually has the United aircraft saying they needed a little time before departing, so it sounded like they were busy with something in the cockpit at the time. I wonder what they saw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny Ohare
The latest I heard on Fox News was that the 2 fatalities may have injuries consistent with being struck by the responding emergency vehicles!
Incredibly sad, if true.