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I knew he would do something boneheaded before we kicked him to the curb but this is totally unacceptable. Can you imagine Sharpton if Pataki did this with a white guy who shot a black kid? OMG.
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I knew he would do something boneheaded before we kicked him to the curb but this is totally unacceptable. Can you imagine Sharpton if Pataki did this with a white guy who shot a black kid? OMG.
If a white guy shot a black kid, he probably wouldn't have faced the same charges to start with...he accidentally shot someone who had threatened his son.
How? Your not implying a white person on trial for manslaughter would not have done time or been indicted?Quote:
Originally Posted by moose135
I never understood how lame-duck pardons are allowed in the first place. Seems to me they should do away with that practice completely. If you're going to pardon someone, at least have the balls to stand up there for a while and take the heat.
and killed him.... he should be in jail on a manslaughter conviction.Quote:
Originally Posted by moose135
Political discussions always have a way of getting out of hand but I will take a chance and post my two cents!!
I come from Cuba and believe me, as flawed as our system of government and laws and rules etc. seem to be, they somehow work a lot better than anything I have ever experienced or learned about :-) I wouldn;t change anything at all... even if it hurts! All I say is if you were that man's shoes, would you be OK with the pardon system? You don;t perhaps think about it but what if you were the one in such a situation? You would gladly serve jail time happily?
I say even the most ardent criminal does NOT want to be in jail... I am sure someone likes our laws when they work for them.
Absolutely but now he gets out after 5 months because Paterson is pissed he got caught lying about Yankee tickets and had to pay up 60k. This is total BS. This guy would have been out in a year anyway. Such a double standard. If this had been a white on black crime no matter what the circumstances there would have been two instances Sharpton marched in protest. One for the 4 year sentence and the second if a white Governor commuted the sentence after 5 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Bird76
Good riddance Paterson you are the biggest disgrace to any public office.
Wow you seriously believe THAT is the reason this mans sentence was commuted? Really?:confused::frown:Quote:
Originally Posted by NIKV69
Absolutely, I feel it played a part in his thought process. May not have been the driving force but may have been the closer. I mean your going out as the most digraced Governor in NY history and most incompetent as just about any Gov including Gray Davis. Your telling me he didn't want to send a zinger across the bow knowing in a few days he drives off never to be heard from again? His political career is over and his legacy is horrible. Don't be naive enough to think he wouldn't be spiteful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerard
Or maybe he felt it was the right thing to do. The guy was defending his family and his home against an unruly mob - isn't that just the thing the those supporting the broadest interpretation of the 2nd Amendment should be applauding? Or does that only apply when a white guy shoots a black guy?
Wow!! I have no words for this. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by NIKV69
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Originally Posted by NIKV69
And speaking of Sharpton, that showboating, racist ignoramus, he would surely gain some of my respect should he decide to parade his pompous ass about Manhattan screaming about how this has been a crime against humanity and how the justice system has failed. Maybe he doesn't want to go out in the blizzard.
Just sayin'.
5 unarmed teenagers is an unruly mob?Quote:
The guy was defending his family and his home against an unruly mob
I also suggest you read what happened. This guy and his son both came out of the house with guns drawn. Really sounds like they were fearing for their lives huh? This wasn't even close to self defense Moose. In any stretch of the imagination and if this was the other way around it would be a very different story.
I have no words for the following myselfQuote:
Wow!! I have no words for this
Gov. Paterson's entire staff advised him against this.
Chief counsel to the Gov also advised against in which Paterson said "I'm just going to do it"
Lawyers in Paterson's office all said White didn't have sufficient grounds to believe he was in any danger.
Paterson did not consult with the family of the dead boy or did he tell them he was going to commute the sentence.
So why exactly do you have no words?
When they are trespassing they are, lets not forget the fact that 5 came to fight 1.What would you call 5 black people coming to fight your white son, even if they are unarmed?Quote:
Originally Posted by NIKV69
Trespass-(Law) To commit an unlawful injury to the person, property, or rights of another, with actual or implied force or violence, especially to enter onto another's land wrongfully.
Given your userid, I say you're ready for any fight :-) You're from The Bronx? LOL.
In just about every justified shooting where someone entered someone's property they were in the act of breaking in or had already commited robbery. Funny I don't see where these 5 kids did anything but began a racial yelling match on the guys lawn without any weapons. Now if your trying to tell us that justifies shooting him I would point out to you that every professional opinion, every laywer and a jury decided it wasn't even close. I would tend to think they would know this a bit better than where you got that from, source?Quote:
Trespass-(Law) To commit an unlawful injury to the person, property, or rights of another, with actual or implied force or violence, especially to enter onto another's land wrongfully
Again Whose Lawn? And again, what were they doing?Quote:
Funny I don't see where these 5 kids did anything but began a racial yelling match on the guys lawn
You said in an earlier response that these kids could not be labled an 'unruly mob', that the fact that they were yelling racial slurs on property that wasn't theirs is just a normal ccurance in your world (You wouldnt happen to be from palestine would you?). They were unwelcomed and they knew ite, i guarantee the one who got shot wouldn't have gone alone to have "a yelling match on the guys lawn." They were ready for something to go down, and what they got was unexpected, but for every action there is an opposite reaction, and 'you never know who has a gun these days'-my mom told me that.
The guy accidently shot one of the losers who was yelling hate on his lawn.
Maybe it should have been a bunch of black kids on the black mans lawn(i guess then it would constitute an unruly mob), and the father shot and killed one of them. Just another case of dark meat on dark meat right? Throw 'em all in jail!
Ashes/Ashes we all fall down, another loser is dead, oh well. Im positive you are not losing any sleep over this unless it was your dumb-ass son that had trespassed on the guys property and was yelling hate.
Negative, Im from good 'ole Blue-Collar Rockville Centre.Quote:
Given your userid, I say you're ready for any fight :-) You're from The Bronx? LOL.
One of my law professors in college way waaaay back in the 80s said this about breaking and entering:
"YES! You're all right, it is illegal to break and enter and commit burglary or anything else in someones property."
"Yes it is true that it is legal and fully justified to shoot and kill anyone inside your property if you did not invite them"
"HOWEVER< if you are going to do this, MAKE SURE the perpetrator is IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR LIVING ROOM and not near a window or door. Make sure if so, you grab one foot and DRAG him / her to the center of your property before the cops arrive"
"If you end up in court, if there is ANY ounce of reason that the criminal is trying to flee while you rightfully shot him/her, you may find the law is NOT on your side!"
I always loved that class...
What did he say about when the person is still not even breaking into the house and is just yelling. Just run out with two guns and point them at him?Quote:
I always loved that class...
I thought it was an unruly mob? LOL. The reason he was convicted and nobody believes him is because it's so blatanty obvious he wasn't in fear of his life or his family and left his house looking for a fight. Nothing in the evidence even remotely supports his account. More so it supports that he intended to engage the victim and the gun discharged. probably by accident but that is manslaughter. Not self defense. Self defense would be more of these kids trying to gain entry by forcing their way into the house or a mob attacking and hurting his son. Then I would say schools out and he could let bullets fly but he was so short of that his and your arguments have no merit whatsoever. Which is why he is a felon and why every person The Gov asked said not to do this. It was a racial payback move and everyone knows it.Quote:
The guy accidently shot one of the losers who was yelling hate on his lawn
Idiot+Mouth=LoserQuote:
I thought it was an unruly mob? LOL.
Loser x 5=Unruly mob
C'mon this is simple math.
Racial Payback-thats a new one!
2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless:Quote:
Originally Posted by CDeezNutz!
(a) He reasonably believes that such other person is using or about to use deadly physical force. Even in such case, however, the actor may not use deadly physical force if he knows that he can with complete safety as to himself and others avoid the necessity of so doing by retreating; except that he is under no duty to retreat if he is:
(i) in his dwelling and not the initial aggressor; or
(ii) a police officer or peace officer or a person assisting a police officer or a peace officer at the latter`s direction, acting pursuant to section 35.30; or
(b) He reasonably believes that such other person is committing or attempting to commit a kidnapping, forcible rape, forcible sodomy or robbery; or
(c) He reasonably believes that such other person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary, and the circumstances are such that the use of deadly physical force is authorized by subdivision three of section 35.20
I am so glad our laws are written without the prejudice you seem to be implying.
The victims mother spoke w/ Newsday:
Paterson left her, she said, with one hope: that he would consider the things she'd told him over Christmas weekend and perhaps be back in touch. She said Paterson "led me to believe" that there may be some action he could take to undo or soften his decision. Monday, his office all but shut that door by saying all commutations are final.
late the party. I wont play the semantics game, but 5 on 1 is enough to whip guns out.
Funny but I thought all the gun lovers would have been on the felon's side. After all, he simply used his guns to defend when 5 people came onto his land and threatened violence.
A jury convicted against the claim that the gun went off after the kid slapped it from the guys hands. The man should be in jail.
The allegation that the guv did so over yankee tics over racial payback....is entertaining to say the least.
Obviously hte gov has his reasons. Why speculate however wrong his reasons are.
Actually the law requires an action not a number.Quote:
but 5 on 1 is enough to whip guns out.
They came to call his son out to a fist fight. If we followed your rules then any father could shoot when a playmate of his son was threatened to a fight we would have a lot of dead kids.Quote:
he simply used his guns to defend when 5 people came onto his land and threatened violence.
Doesn't matter how it went off. He pulled it and it caused someone to die while not defending himself from a deadly threat or robbery. That is manslaughter pal.Quote:
A jury convicted against the claim that the gun went off after the kid slapped it from the guys hands. The man should be in jail.
Actually the law requires an action not a number.
So 5 black dudes screaming hate on your lawn and you wouldn't act?
If we followed your rules
your first mistake, I didnt make nor imply any rules....
I don't know the law verbatim as law is not my forte nor armchair interest. That said, I still find it amazing the comments from the gun lovers.
Sure I would get my gun and call 911 immediately. If they are unarmed and don't try to force their way in I wait. If they start shooting or begin to try to force their way in I blast away. I don't exit my house or aim my gun at them otherwise. I am not looking for a fight, this guy was.Quote:
So 5 black dudes screaming hate on your lawn and you wouldn't act?
Excellent plan of action.
Yet without training, its easier to make a plan than to actually be prepared for an event.
Law enforcement train for situations. Unless you sit there and practice your plan, its nothing more than a plan and god forbid the **** his the fan, things escalate and your plan is caca. Your plan misfires, your gun discharges and you are in jail
But don't worry Nick. We'd make regular NYCA field trips to see you in jail. We'd even bring Mimi's special. ;)
Training has nothing to do with common sense. If you just give your son a gun and arm yourself then run outside that is not common sense. It's looking to engage not "fearing for my family because of an unruly mob". Which is why the jury found him guilty and rightly so.Quote:
Yet without training, its easier to make a plan than to actually be prepared for an event.