Lands in Detroit, Minor Injuries reported -CNN
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! :borat:
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Lands in Detroit, Minor Injuries reported -CNN
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! :borat:
It was an A330, enroute to Detroit from Amsterdam, 278 on board.
Someone's spending Christmas night in jail!
Moron! Why would anyone do that?????
free food for the holidays!!!
I can see the jail cell now
BUBBA: (In a very deep voice) I'll show you Fireworks!!!!
Some Dutch airport security folks have some 'splaining to do.
Reports are now saying this was a terrorist attempt by a Nigerian man with ties to Al Qaeda...
http://wcbstv.com/national/delta.plane. ... 91114.html
Quote:
Official: Passenger Attempted To Blow Up Plane
Passenger Aboard Delta Plane At Detroit Metropolitan Airport Sets Off Fireworks; No Injuries Reported
WASHINGTON (AP) - A passenger on board a Delta flight from Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas Day was trying to blow up the plane when he ignited fireworks, a U.S. Defense official said Friday.
The incident only ended up causing a commotion and some minor injuries.
The firecrackers went off as Northwest Airlines Flight 253, an Airbus 330 carrying 278 passengers and operated by Delta, was arriving in Detroit from Amsterdam. Delta and Northwest have merged.
Elliott says the passenger was immediately subdued. She had no details on injuries.
One passenger from the flight was taken to the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor, hospital spokeswoman Tracy Justice said. She didn't know the person's condition, or whether the person was a man or woman. She referred all inquiries to the FBI.
An FBI spokeswoman in Detroit says the incident is being investigated.
It is also not known how the fireworks were allowed onboard, but the spokesperson told CBS News that the airline "is cooperating with authorities during this investigation."
J.P. Karas, 55, of Wyandotte, Mich., said he was driving down a road near the airport and saw a Delta jet at the end of the runway, surrounded by police cars, an ambulance, a bus and some TV trucks.
"I don't ever recall seeing a plane on that runway ever before and I pass by there frequently," he said.
Karas said it was difficult to tell what was going on, but it looked like the front wheel was off the runway.
The flight left Amsterdam's Schiphol International Airport at 8:45 a.m. local time Friday morning and arrived in Detroit a 12:01 p.m. CST.
Dec 25, 5:49 PM EST
A senior U.S. counterterror official says a passenger aboard a Delta Air Lines flight in Detroit was planning to blow up the plane but the explosive device failed.
The official said the passenger was being questioned Friday evening. It was not immediately clear why the passenger wanted to attack the flight that was arriving from Amsterdam.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.
Authorities initially believed the passenger had set off firecrackers that caused some minor injuries.
A Delta spokeswoman said the passenger was immediately subdued.
She had no details on the injuries.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.
ROMULUS, Mich. (AP) - A passenger aboard a plane at Detroit Metropolitan Airport set off firecrackers Friday, causing a commotion and some minor injuries, a Delta official said.
Delta Air Lines spokeswoman Susan Elliott said the passenger was subdued immediately. She had no details on the injuries.
One passenger from the flight was taken to the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor, hospital spokeswoman Tracy Justice said. She didn't know the person's condition, or whether the person was a man or woman. She referred all inquiries to the FBI.
An FBI spokeswoman in Detroit said the incident is being investigated.
The firecrackers went off as Northwest Airlines Flight 253, an Airbus 330 carrying 278 passengers, was arriving in Detroit from Amsterdam. Delta and Northwest have merged.
J.P. Karas, 55, of Wyandotte, Mich., said he was driving down a road near the airport and saw a Delta jet at the end of the runway, surrounded by police cars, an ambulance, a bus and some TV trucks.
"I don't ever recall seeing a plane on that runway ever before and I pass by there frequently," he said.
Karas said it was difficult to tell what was going on, but it looked like the front wheel was off the runway.
Holy ****! Really, thats all I can say.
Now the news said it was some sort of bomb.
Plus mentioned to expect the TSA to increase the level of screening, and delays, even more.
DHS has raised the threat level for airline flights to Orange.
White House is now saying it was an attempted terrorist attack.
AP reports senior U.S. counterterrorism official said the device consisted of liquid and powder, but it failed to work properly.
ABC: Fedederal situational awareness bulletin noted that the explosive was acquired in Yemen with instructions as to when it should be used.
Already posted in the "NEWS AND AIRCRAFT VISITORS" thread here:
passenger-lights-firecrackers-on-northwest-flight-t17885.html
Continue discussion there!
Thanks!
Airports have always been on Orange, other modes are ay yellow. We are going to Super Secret Orange.Quote:
Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
Is that anything like Double Secret Probation? Maybe someone should have gotten Homeland Security the big box of crayons for Christmas, then they could go to Level "Mauve". :shock: :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by emshighway
Heaven help us if we ever reach Elmo!Quote:
Originally Posted by moose135
http://www.geekandproud.net/terror/i...terror-all.jpg
Here we go again......
<< Law enforcement officials identified the suspect as 23-year-old Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab. Others had slightly different spellings.
While Mudallah was not a no-fly list, his name was in a database indicating that he had significant terrorist connections, said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y.>>
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/internatio ... z0alD1IBRc
We had to take off our shoes after Richard Reid? Will we have to take off our pants now?
US TSA granted seal of approval to security procedures at Lagos, Nigeria airport exactly a month ago. http://is.gd/5BIC6
The thing I dislike most about this is the negativity that ends up surrounding it....mostly with a blame game, instead of being thankful, thinking positively and more importantly, looking towards solutions.
His name being one that was known and supposed to be on the list...mistake was made and I'm sure someone will lose their job(s) over it. I would bet it probably won't happen again and they'll find a way to get around any misspelling issues.
The liquid ban has nothing to do with us, as he didn't get through our airport screening. I'm sure new procedures and requirements will be implemented or enforced with regard to how foreign countries screen.
Most importantly, we see the determination and teamwork of American civilians who stepped up when seeing danger and going after this guy as he tried to pull it off.
LOL, you should see some of the things we have made up. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
Just because the TSA did an inspection doesn't mean the TSA controls what these overseas airports do.Quote:
Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
I was kind of surprised the White has come out and said it was an attempted Terrorist attack. I would have expected a response closer to "lets get all the facts before we call it an attempted terrorist attack." I'm glad it ended as well as it did and that he was caputured. Hopefully the FBI can extract some good intel from him.
For some reason TSA in Lagos, Nigeria doesnt given me the "warm and fuzzies".Quote:
Originally Posted by emshighway
>Most importantly, we see the determination and teamwork of American civilians who stepped up when seeing danger and going after this guy as he tried to pull it off.[/quote]<
Actually in this instance it was a Dutch film director.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... on_no.html
Why is everyone (not on this site) blaming the TSA and their procedures? Last i checked AMS security wasn't run by the TSA.
I'll take the stand of holding the entire DHS accountable for this one...someone dropped the ball, and it doesn't matter which uniform their were wearing...
Wait a minute, DHS is a United States Department. While they work with other countries to assist them it is the other countries responsibilities to conform to the international standards. The matter of watch lists and no fly lists again is a US driven matter. Countries do what ever they want. If you are going to blame US DHS for this perhaps we should get to the point of banning flights coming into the US or have them all land at a neutral location and passenger and baggage be screened before continuing to the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by mmedford
And yes I do work for DHS so I do have the insight on this matter.
You know what, if this keeps up... I potentially see that happening...Quote:
perhaps we should get to the point of banning flights coming into the US or have them all land at a neutral location and passenger and baggage be screened before continuing to the US.
Unless I am mistaken, if Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab was on the US No fly list, the aircraft would not be allowed to enter US space. Isn't that right? Haven't aircraft been diverted from US Airspace that have departed Amsterdam in the past due to who boarded the aircraft?
[of course would be terrorists can simply change their names, use other's id and photo etc... ]
Tom
<< Alhaji Umarum Mutallab, former Nigeria First Bank chairman, ex-minister, told police Saturday, Dec. 26, that the 23-year old Nigerian who tried and failed to blow up the Amsterdam-Detroit Northwest Flight 253 Friday, Dec. 25, is his son. According to family members, he had been worried by his son's extremist religious views and six months ago reported his activities to the US embassy in Lagos. Devastated by the news of the attempted bombing, he said he was surprised his son had been given a US visa. >>
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6437
Tom
He wasn't on a no-fly list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom_Turner
My speculation is this will be one agency not sharing information with another. This is a personal view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom_Turner
The Classified Paperwork coverpages have been updated:Quote:
Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1...ifications.jpg
Yes, that's right, [see the first excerpt I posted, referring to Rep Peter King]. But as you indicated the No Fly list is a US Driven instrument, so no fault to Amsterdam if they don't stop this guy getting on the plane (for who he is at least).Quote:
Originally Posted by emshighway
Tom
[quote=Tom_Turner]Yes, that's right, [see the first excerpt I posted, referring to Rep Peter King]. But as you indicated the No Fly list is a US Driven instrument, so no fault to Amsterdam if they don't stop this guy getting on the plane (for who he is at least).Quote:
Originally Posted by emshighway
Tom[/quote:zzvqm9zt]
Not by just being on a list. The use of technology such as the whole body imager needs to be accelerated. The threat is moving faster than the technology.
isn't that always the case though?Quote:
Originally Posted by emshighway
according to this NY Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/us...y.html?_r=1&hp
i for one would definitely fly a lot less if security became more of a hassle and more "unpredictable." i can understand the reasoning behind it, but when i fly out to CA for a few days at a time i like being able to take along everything i need with me in my carry-on. as a non-rev i don't ever check bags, and eventually when i return to being a paying pax i don't think i'd want to either. i'm sure that business travelers everywhere aren't happy with this. yes i know these changes effect international travel more than it does domestic now, but i fully expect it all to come full circle and effect everyone.Quote:
The government was vague about the steps it was taking, saying that it wanted the security experience to be “unpredictable” and that passengers would not find the same measures at every airport — a prospect that may upset airlines and travelers alike.
I have several comments about this terrorist act. This guy was permitted to leave his seat to use the restroom during final approach. On my last flight, I was told that passengers cannot use toilets during final approach. According to reports on TV, he prepared his bomb in the bathroom. Why was he permitted to leave his seat? I was even told to turn-off my camcorder during final approach. His father went to the authorities to report his son was acting in a suspicious manner yet he was never placed on a "No Fly" list. Why not? The same thing happened before 9-11. Actor James Woods reported to the FBI that 2 passengers sitting near him were acting suspiciously but no action was taken. It turned out sadly that they were part of the evil hijacking team that attacked us on 9-11. Several of them were even reported by their respective flight schools because they asked for lessons on flying and landing but not how to take-off. That certainly was suspicious. Current security measures seem to harrass the innocent. I hope the TSA drastically changes their screening policies. They go crazy when they see plane-spotters taking photos of aircraft yet are lax about what is brought aboard aircraft.
> Current security measures seem to harrass the innocent. I hope the TSA drastically changes their screening policies. They go crazy when they see plane-spotters taking photos of aircraft yet are lax about what is brought aboard aircraft.[/quote]<
Well it isnt the TSA harassing spotters but I agree with that point.
What has happened that even though the explosion didnt go off as planned the "terrorists" can claim a "victory".
They have disrupted TSA security procedures during the busiest air travel season.
The media is already going wall-to-wall with coverage questioning the Obama administration and our own
airline security. Much of it negative in tone.
And of course the psychological impact on the American public.
just heard that today, 27 december there was another incident on the same flight. aparently the flight crew called DTW for assistance for a disruptive pax.
A man, possibly Nigerian, locked himself in the bathroom on today's NW253 and became belligerent when the crew knocked down the door and dragged him out. The plane was taxied to a remote area at Detroit Metro airport, passengers were evacuated onto buses.
AP now reporting investigators have determined he was just a businessman who got sick.
Multi-million dollar vs. Delta any second now.