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Europe's DHL devision ferried a 7670-300 with winglets into JFK for delivery.
Stopped through on a delivery flight to JFK.
D-DHLE 767-300 and newly added winglets.
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Senga
wow, nice work senga. i can't wait to see bent wings on the -200s!
WOW. I didn't know to expect it. Wild stuff.
Did you come across it by chance?
Now that's a big sexy! :borat:
Hi Phil,
No I knew it was there. However I didn't know it had winglets so that was a surprise I hate winglets.
Senga
You prefer a 767 without winglets?
Phil,
Yes I prefer all planes without winglets, raked wingtips and blended wings The only modified type I like are the older wing tip (Fences) that we see on A300s and A310s. Also I am a sucker for wintip farings that 747-100s and 200s have those things are just beautiful I am a sucker for those!
Unfortunatly wintips as I like them are a thing of the past.
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Senga
To each his own, I guess. for the 767, I've just always found it to be a boring tube aircraft with no attractive features. The massive winglets give it something special at least to me.
I agree with you there about the 767 its a very boring aircraft with little offer visually. Also the gear not very attractive when extended. I can appreciate the B762 though because I like stocky aircraft like the B762, A310, B737-100/200 as examples.
Senga
Thats one nice looking plane. Great catch Senga! Who is this DHL 763 operated by if its from Europe. EAT comes to my mind. would they ever bring a 757 in the near future?
The aircraft was still parked at the DHL area today.
wow haha I'm happy to know there's another person out there who prefers the more decent looking wingtips of the past. Those 767 wingtip sails are obscene and make the 767 look like Dumbo. Trying to take a picture from inside the plane with those things in the way must be a nightmare LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by SengaB
Go away winglets!
I hate you... :twisted:
767-3JHF-WL c/n 37805 operated by DHL Air UK based at East Midlands airport. Aircraft planned for JFK - EMA Tue 8th and expected to enter service LEJ - JFK Sept 15th. Shortly to be joined by
G-DHLF c/n 37806 currently in Greensboro for winglet fitting. G-DHLG c/n 37807 will follow later in the year.
Regards: Mick (DHL L/M).
Mayi757,
We are part of a very small brotherhood. To me winglets are like those kits and other devices/contraptions that people put on their cars and supe them up. In this case they serve a purpose to improve efficiency but they look very tacky and unnatural to me.
A Clean wingtip gives you so much more to look at.
One of my favorite wingtips is the ATR's
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Tha'ts true those winglets to get in the way of shooting out of a plane.
Senga
Yes Senga, even though we are relatively young we're still old school enough and remember classics didn't need weird appendages to look properly 8) . I'm not even too excited about the 787 to be honest, but we should be glad they at least didn't fit it with gigantic winglets. I really like the classic 747 wingtips myself, too bad the 763 didn't get 767-400 style tips which look pretty good to me. But hey, many enjoy seeing airliners with gigantic winglets and that's cool too, everyone has different tastes.
The A320s might be getting huge 737NG-like winglets also, ugh :twisted: :D
I thought they tested that out a few years ago and said they wouldn't offer it? Dang.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayi757
The only aircraft that received winglets that I didn't care for is the 757. Even still I'm not a huge fan.
On the 737 I like it a bit, but the 767 NEEDED it, I feel.
There was a recent picture of an A320 with them installed (think it was skyliners.de where I saw it) and didn't like it one bitQuote:
Originally Posted by Phil D.
-Hah look at that, to me the only one which looks ok, maybe even cool with winglets installed is precisely the 757. Never liked winglets on 737s especially the -700 which seem to big for the size of the plane. So far I've seen them on LAN and DL 767s and totally hate the look :mrgreen:
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I happened to be up at KPAE for a day of high speed taxi tests for the 787 and got a few pictures. I am a fan of the swept wing of the 787, though admit the 737NG wing tips are nothing exciting to me as far as looks, though I do enjoy what some airlines are doing with paint on the tips.
-Tad
Yeah, the paint they apply to the winglets make or break them. American's has the most potential I think, but falls short being somewhat boring. Same, and especially, with CO.
Virgin America's stars-and-stripes wingtip fences are my favorite.
If they put winglets on A320s that will be very disappointedQuote:
Originally Posted by Mayi757
Senga
i know they were tested, there are pix online of the tesbed a/c flying at TLS. they look horrible and from what i read didn't have the desired effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by SengaB
A Jetblue A320 had them on for testing.
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Thank god they didn't go with that.
Senga
So they didn't work?!! what a shame.. :mrgreen:
The pic I saw was an all-white aircraft and I remember them larger, but maybe those were a different size or just looked bigger on a white plane. After seen that Jetblue shot to me they don't look as Star-Trek as they do on the 737. Take them off the 737s and put them on the A320 :lol:
Looks like Airbus and API have revived the testing last summer, it seems the performance gain was offset by the amount of weight needed to reinforce the wing. Interestingly Airbus admits to considering using electric motors for taxiing. The next Prius? 8)
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DATE:19/05/08
SOURCE:Flight International
Airbus to flight test Aviation Partners winglets on A320 in July
By Max Kingsley-Jones
Airbus has teamed up with Boeing's winglet supplier Aviation Partners to undertake a second evaluation of large winglets for the A320 family. Flight tests will begin in July on Airbus's A320 development aircraft.
"We will carry out a short flight-test programme of the API winglets," says A320 family programme executive vice-president Alain Flourens. "We aim to take a decision whether to proceed by the end of the year."
Flourens says that the airframer will strengthen the A320's wingtips for the test with doublers, and will examine the trade-off of the weight increase against the fuel burn benefits. There is also an ongoing weight reduction programme for the A320 that would help counter the strengthening, he adds.
The upgrade is being studied for new-build aircraft and for in-service retrofits.
Airbus undertook two evaluations of winglets for the A320 in 2006 - one designed in-house and one by US company Winglet Technology - with the target of finding "a couple of percent" performance gain. However at the time Airbus could not find sufficient improvement to offset the weight increase caused by the strengthening required.
As part of Airbus's drive to reduce fuel burn it is planning to undertake studies of an electric taxi device using an A320. "We are looking at installing electric motors in the wheels," says Flourens.
Airbus is in discussion with an undisclosed partner and could undertake a demonstration before the end of the year, adds Flourens. Either Airbus's flying testbed or the German DLR aircraft recently used for fuel cell tests will undergo the trial.
The test would be undertaken with electrical power from the auxiliary power unit. However, Flourens says that alternative power sources are being examined, such as fuel cell technology.