So the Dem's have been talking about a new direction for America, well I think I finally understand where that new direction is leading...
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So the Dem's have been talking about a new direction for America, well I think I finally understand where that new direction is leading...
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Very nice. Sad but true.
The Democrats don't really know what they want, & are still acting like they are the minority party
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Tommy has a point but I also think the Dem party has been bashing the war simply to try to get rid of Bush and to win the white house. Groups like moveon.org and codepink are out of touch and think the "let's talk about our problems" approach works. That may have been good in the Gerald Ford era but if you look at it shortly after Reagan left office the landscape has changed. Terrorists only understand one thing. Force. Once they get their mind set on something talking will not help. We should not negotiate nor anything else but make these people understand that their behavior will not be tolerated. Dems are simply not trustworthy when it comes to this.
One of the biggest issues I see with groups like Moveon is they really don't speak for the majority of DEMS but people like George Soros who's in the minority but has billions to voice his stance and make the minority look like the majority. Soros is pulling allot strings right now and the party of Truman is swiftly becoming the party of Soros.
This is the most accurate thing I've ever heard you say about the Democrats. David Brooks actually wrote a pretty interesting editorial about it yesterday (link)Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Bird76
George Soros doesn't have nearly as much influence as certain people would like you to think he does, but he has a lot of money and therefore a very loud voice. Those who were paying attention realized that in 2004 when the Republicans' preferred Democratic challenger got the nomination for president.
The real issue with groups like MoveOn and DailyKos is that most of the bloggers who get involved with groups like that are the sort of people who never got over their idealistic college protesting phase and still think they can change the world. They are, as a rule, much more liberal than the Democratic party as a whole, and most people who vote Democrat know that. (Don't even get me started on CODEPINK.)
That's why it always cracks me up when the Bush Administration tries to portary people like John Kerry and Hillary Clinton as being extremist liberals. MoveOn is to the left of most Democrats, but they're far from extremist, and they tend to consider Clinton too conservative.
The real power in the Democratic party is held by the traditional liberal media.
Terrorists understand force, but military force creates more martyrs, which only makes them stronger. The war on terrorism is a war of propaganda, and the Bush Administration has ****ed that up worse than any Democrat ever could have. Which ever presidential candidate from either party who demostrates that he or she understands this has my vote, regardless of party affiliation.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIKV69
Your right Tommy but more Dems should make an effort to distance themselves from them and they don't, it's hurting the party a bit I feel.
They can't Nick, Soros is pouring too much money into the media and he'll destroy them if they do. Adam as far as Hillary goes she is a far left liberal...her national healthcare program that she is hell bent on shoving down our throats is proof of that. Hillary care was tried in California and failed...National Healthcare does not work. Her other statements about taking profits from companies is proof positive of her Socialist desires for this country. As for Kerry he's not far left...he's just far from reality
Speaking of Bush, Bush certainly isn't the greatest President we've had, he's a freaking train wreck but like the Dem's he's sort of his own kind of Republican. It’s coming down to sub parties now. On the Republican side you have you're normal everyday Republican and Conservative and then you have you're Bush Republicans who you could lead into a gas chamber and they wouldn't say boo.
I agree completely with the last three posts :borat: .
(Okay I just wanted to use the emotion).
I'm a Democrat, proud of it, and I resent being called, no matter how off-handed, a terrorist supporter.
Tom please tell me you don't actually believe that crap.
Right on.Quote:
Originally Posted by adam613
Hey I didn't write that...! I do agree that terrorists only understand force but force does not only mean action from military while I do agree we need to blow them away. We can cut off their funds, make it harder for them to move around, and disrupt their intelligence network all means of force but as for propaganda..... I don't agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeriouslyFunny
That's the implication of the cartoon however. It's pretty sad that in this day in age it's acceptable for one party to accuse the other of supporting terrorists.
If we as a country would knock off our hatred for Bush on the one hand, 'liberals' on the other, and focus that energy on OBL, there's no doubt in my mind we'd have him right now.
I agree 100%, my intent with the cartoon was to poke fun not to get into a political debate but you know how these things go. I think the largest problem facing out country right now is the fact that we (IMO) no longer have a representative Gov't. Neither the Dems or the GOP speak for America. They speak for who can lobby the most and who throws the most money at their state or district. Taxation without Representation never meant as much as it does today!Quote:
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The truth is [people] can only base their bias on what they hear from the mainstream media, and to believe the media, who right now are the most uninformed people in the country is a very stupid idea. Presidents do not control the fate of the country government agencies do, they just need a mascot, and im not talking about the CIA IM TALKING ABOUT THE ONES YOU'LL never hear about the ones that fly drugs and counterfeit moneys around the world to regulate friendships with real terrorists, the ones that the US citizens should really be afraid of. Its these same agenies that point to the president of iran and make the people of our country believe that this man is the powerhouse supplier of weapons to the primative fighters of the mid east who wish death and disease to America. So really none of you know what's going on and never will and that's how the real government likes it and wiwll be sure to keep it.
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I think Americans have a pretty good sense of where our country is headed. We are not all blind and only informed as to the latest Paris Hilton scandal.Quote:
The funniest thing to me is when you get people who think they know politics to voice their opinions and ideas about which way we are headed.
Not true at all..If one chooses to only listen to mainstream media that's one thing but there are many ways to learn about how the Gov't is running things. Attend local party meetings, Attend town hall meetings; read news releases from you're town, Congressman, Senator, State and County. Americans are smarter then you give them credit for.Quote:
The truth is they can only base their bias on what they hear from the mainstream media
You're right Presidents don't directly control our country. The three legislator branches of our Gov't run our nation and the agencies they setup carry out their direction. No one agency more powerful then our elected leaders. I'm sorry you believe that, it’s rather a sad view.Quote:
Presidents do not control the fate of the country
We are all aware of the backroom deals our Gov't makes with warlords and terror groups, this isn't a mystery. We did it from the very beginning of this country and we will continue to fight our battles with the w/e resources we feel fit to keep our country safe.Quote:
THE ONES YOU'LL never hear about the ones that fly drugs and counterfeit moneys around the world to regulate friendships with real terrorists, the ones that the US citizens should really be afraid of.
Do you deny Iran is supplying Syria (a state support of terror) with military support? Iran sold Syria's entire air defense system to them and what a better way of trying to destroy us by supplying independent militants with weapons to use on us. China and Russia supplied North Vietnam during the Vietnam war.Quote:
It’s these same agencies that point to the president of Iran and make the people of our country believe that this man is the powerhouse supplier of weapons to the primitive fighters of the mid east who wish death and disease to America.
The real gov't? I'm still not sure what that means? I'm sorry but Monty Burns and his inner circle of darkness do not run this country.Quote:
So really none of you know what's going on and never will and that's how the real government likes it and will be sure to keep it.
The real government consists of the agencies/offices/departments that see to it that deals both past and present between us and other countries are kept in running order.Can you tell me the last time our president sat down and went through a list of available intelligence we could share with other nations?or the other two branches?Its not the military that handles that-they aren't authorized.
Further-We supply our technologies to Israel, why can't Iran be able to do the same with any other country?Because they don't have the same rights as us?, because we think one of their leaders, who by the way doesn't control the military, is crazy?
And where do the ones who conduct these town meetings get their information from?
What's very sad is that you believe that the government is run just the way the textbooks say-3 branches of government, plus checks and balances=everything running smoothly.Its not that black and white. Never was never will be.
I don't deny anything, I could actually care less about who Iran is supplying arms to because the we here in the US have been doing this since the invention of the gun.
Are you saying that you don't care if Iran is giving guns to people who are killing your fellow countrymen and neighbors.
Yes based on the treaties and agreements we've agreed upon and based upon the interests of the nation.Quote:
The real government consists of the agencies/offices/departments that see to it that deals both past and present between us and other countries are kept in running order.
Well I'm sorry but I'm not part of the Presidents Cabinet so I really couldn't...The President put people in place that he trusts to deal with this. I truly hope our President isn't getting involved in the day-to-day business of the nation, that's not his job. His job is to set out polices and a vision for this country. The President does get a daily briefing of intelligence report.Quote:
Can you tell me the last time our president sat down and went through a list of available intelligence we could share with other nations?
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We supply our technologies to Israel, why can't Iran be able to do the same with any other country? Because they don't have the same rights as us?, because we think one of their leaders, who by the way doesn't control the military, is crazy?
Last I check Israel isn't looking to destroy its neighbors or kill the entire Muslim population. Iran on the other hand publicly has stated they want the Zionists destroyed...Please go read a copy of Mein Kampf and educate yourself on the behaviors of people like the President of Iran. Israel has the right to do what they need to protect themselves. The Jewish people have been a target of hate and destruction for more then 2000 years. The phrase the Jewish people use "Never again" means something, the Jewish people will never let the extinction of their people to ever be attempted again.
What's sad is you don't believe in the American system. Sorry dude but a Black ops group running our country makes for a great movie but the people of this country run our nation. not a select few. Believe what you want but I truly feel bad that when you see the flag you see something other then what it really means.Quote:
What's very sad is that you believe that the government is run just the way the textbooks say-3 branches of government, plus checks and balances=everything running smoothly. It’s not that black and white. Never was never will be.
Will you still not care if a nuclear device goes off in Midtown Manhattan?Quote:
I don't deny anything, I could actually care less about whom Iran is supplying arms to because the we here in the US have been doing this since the invention of the gun.
This is a free country and you can believe what you want to believe but so can I, which is, this country was founded and still follows the philosophy of "For the People, By the People." When the citizens of this nation want to change the system we will. Our elected officials are going to be in for a rude awakening in the next election.
One other thing, I do find it interesting you totally glanced over all my points to you. I think I made my point and made it rather well. I'll let the members of this board who if you haven't met them will find are educated, successful, and logically people. I'll let them decide on you're thought process.
I forget who said it but...Im not afraid of the guy with a hundred warheads im afraid of the guy with one. Iran just wants to look tough in my honest opinion. If they produce weapons from their nuclear program we have ways of finding out, without them knowing.Plus Iran will record/make a record of what they have and what they are making, even the nazis did that.
And T-Bird I don't believe that a black ops agency is runnig the government, what I am saying is that the president isn't the top dog.
And as ffor that treaty stuff you profess think about this, when the US was arming Turkey and Greece(who eventually turned on each other) to fight off the communists what treaty was set in place that said , We will keep on supplying these two nations with access to our weapons and technology?There wasn't one, and don't believe that we all just decided to be friendly towards each other.
When I look at the flag I see both the good and evil that this country has been capable of.
WOW I'm not even sure how to answer that or even if I should. I'll just say when I see our flag I see the people who built this country and the good people of this land. I see our flag as a symbol of our freedom and not what our current or poor past administrations have done. Our flag is the spirit of what makes America great it represents the citizens of the U.S.Quote:
When I look at the flag I see both the good and evil that this country has been capable of.