Observation regarding American Idol

WHile I am not a fan of the show, my wife does have an interest in this show and others focusing on the arts, singing , dancing, etc.


SO even if you don't watch the show, most of us know of this Sunjaya guy. Some lady claimed to hold a hunger strike til he is sent off. I actually didn't realize the "impact" of the show and this character until I read about him in a news magazine (might have been US NEws and World Reprt or something to that end.)

ONe quip of the article suggested that perhaps Americans are trying to prove a point that the best vocalist/contestant doesnt necessarily win and that it may be a mockery of the show.

So the obvious question here is.....if the public can't pick a best singer for a show, where do we get off thinking we can pick a decent president??


:wink: g'morning Phil. :wink: 8)

Well if we had decent choices we might be able to pick a good leader but last election you had Kerry and Bush. Kerry had no agenda so you didn't know what you were getting into, and Bush, well we knew Bush's agenda, even though it blows we knew what we were getting. I guess it was stick with what you know.

As for the next election there is only one person who can lead this country and that's Fred Thompson. He's a Regan Conservative with real ideas for America and a proven track record. I'm predicting a Thompson and Rudy as the ticket in 08.

As for Sunjaya he's the flavor of the week, in six months no one will remember or give a rat’s ass about him. He has no talent at all and should have been booted off god knows how long ago.

Oh how the hell do we discuss the leader of our country and some skinny 17 year old in the same post? Only Mario could pull this off. lol

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Originally Posted by T-Bird76

As for the next election there is only one person who can lead this country and that's Fred Thompson.

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What, and quit his job as Manhattan DA? :D

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Originally Posted by T-Bird76

As for the next election there is only one person who can lead this country and that's Fred Thompson.

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What, and quit his job as Manhattan DA? :D

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Oh comon Moose you know the Dems have crap out there right now. Hillary is losing speed, Obama is nothing but show, and Edwards doesn't even get the support of his home state.

Fred Thompson is totally clean, he left office in very high regard he's no nonsense, objective, smart, he has presence, passion, and the track record we need. I'm for Thompson in 08!

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Originally Posted by mirrodie

WHile I am not a fan of the show, my wife does have an interest in this show and others focusing on the arts, singing , dancing, etc.


SO even if you don't watch the show, most of us know of this Sunjaya guy. Some lady claimed to hold a hunger strike til he is sent off. I actually didn't realize the "impact" of the show and this character until I read about him in a news magazine (might have been US NEws and World Reprt or something to that end.)

ONe quip of the article suggested that perhaps Americans are trying to prove a point that the best vocalist/contestant doesnt necessarily win and that it may be a mockery of the show.

So the obvious question here is.....if the public can't pick a best singer for a show, where do we get off thinking we can pick a decent president??


:wink: g'morning Phil. :wink: 8)

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The name of the show is called "American Idol", so, the best singer may not win. However, the winners of American Idol do quite well on the billboards.

Picking a decent President, any type of election, the best candiate does not always win.

It is always hard to judge a President in the present day, it takes history to judge a President.

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Originally Posted by T-Bird76

As for the next election there is only one person who can lead this country and that's Fred Thompson. He's a Regan Conservative with real ideas for America and a proven track record. I'm predicting a Thompson and Rudy as the ticket in 08.

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A Rudi/Thompson ticket would be quite interesting.

[quote=Midnight Mike]

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As for the next election there is only one person who can lead this country and that's Fred Thompson. He's a Regan Conservative with real ideas for America and a proven track record. I'm predicting a Thompson and Rudy as the ticket in 08.

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A Rudi/Thompson ticket would be quite interesting.[/quote:db257]

No No Mike you got it wrong....Thompson/Rudy! Rudy will be VP, no way will he get the oval ofice.

I'd vote for him, but with his family issues, his stance on abortion, Bernard Kerik going on trial, and his continuous campaign gaffes (according to Rudy, a gallon of milk is $1.50, a loaf of bread is $1.25, and his wife is going to help write national health care policy), I think Rudy is done. It's only a matter of time before the GOP dumps him.

Sanjaya remains on the show because along with the millions of votes garnered by VoteForTheWorst.com and Howard Stern, every single Indian in America votes for him every week.

I think Rudy will be okay. Statistics stil.l show him very strong leading or tied in the polls with Hillbillary the boonies queen Clinton in overall while Hill leads the ass'es. Another intresting note is Fred Thompson is a cancer paitent. Lymphoma of some sort. He is in remission though.

Thompson was ok as a New York DA, but I don't like him at all becuase he had a SERIOUS attitude problem when he was White House Chief of Staff.

Oh, wait, that was when he was in "In the Line of Fire" with Clint Eastwood and Law & Order. My bad.

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I think Rudy will be okay. Statistics stil.l show him very strong leading or tied in the polls with Hillbillary the boonies queen Clinton in overall while Hill leads the ass'es. Another intresting note is Fred Thompson is a cancer paitent. Lymphoma of some sort. He is in remission though.

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Ryan, Rudy is cancer patient to, he had prostrate cancer. Even though he got a clean bill of health it can always return. If Thompson is well enough and his doctors believe he won't have relapse that may affect his leadership abilities I truly hope he does run.

Whatever happened to all those Reagan conservatives anyway? I always thought the Republicans, especially the Reagan conservative types were all for small government and balanced budgets.

As an economist I seem to recall that the first massive budget deficit was piled up by Ronald Reagan, the great conservative himself.

Then, the largest budget deficit in our history has been piled up by a second arch conservative, George Bush.

I also recall the only time that our budget deficit was balanced and actually paid down was under a so called liberal leader named Bill Clinton.

So given a choice betweeen more of the same slight of hand from the Reagan conservatives who say one thing and practice another and who dig deep into the pockets of the middle class to make the elite rich even richer, I don't think so.

Enough is enough. I'm voting for the Democrats who have a better track record with fiscal responsibility.

And while I'm not a member of the middle class, I know that the health and stability of the middle class affects my financial stability as well as teh stability of the nation.

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I also recall the only time that our budget deficit was balanced and actually paid down was under a so called liberal leader named Bill Clinton.

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Republicans, led by the truly conservative Newt Gingrich, took over Congress during Clinton's presidency. I think if a Democrat wins the White House in '08 and the Dems maintain control of Congress, the economic results will not be as pretty.

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Whatever happened to all those Reagan conservatives anyway? I always thought the Republicans, especially the Reagan conservative types were all for small government and balanced budgets.

As an economist I seem to recall that the first massive budget deficit was piled up by Ronald Reagan, the great conservative himself.

Then, the largest budget deficit in our history has been piled up by a second arch conservative, George Bush.

I also recall the only time that our budget deficit was balanced and actually paid down was under a so called liberal leader named Bill Clinton.

So given a choice betweeen more of the same slight of hand from the Reagan conservatives who say one thing and practice another and who dig deep into the pockets of the middle class to make the elite rich even richer, I don't think so.

Enough is enough. I'm voting for the Democrats who have a better track record with fiscal responsibility.

And while I'm not a member of the middle class, I know that the health and stability of the middle class affects my financial stability as well as teh stability of the nation.

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You go ahead and follow that belief.....Clinton sold our security right out from under us, his piss poor military and intelligence polices let 9/11 happen. Do you honestly believe polices of a President have an immediate impact on the country? It can take years for a President's polices to have an effect. The policies of Regan and the investments made to defense technology were the reason why the 90s saw the greatest economic boom this country has ever seen. Clinton in no way had anything to do with that. The economy under Clinton was already starting to turn south because of his lack luster economic polices; Bush was left with his legacy.

Oh go read what your buddies the Dems want to do with the budget and the Iraq funding bill. They've tacked on some great additions to the Iraq war bill that have nothing to do with Iraq. Pelosi's visit to Syria in my opinion is nothing short of treason to this nation and a slap in the face to each and every one of us. She had no right going over there without the constant of the President; this is who you want to vote for. This country more and more is moving away from the values and beliefs it was founded on and we need a leader who will bring those values back. The problem with Bush is he has no spin anymore, he's given up. A real leader would be charging ahead putting America first! Someone like Thompson and Rudy can do that. We've seemed to forget that this is America, we have our own culture and value system but we've resigned ourselves to make everyone who comes to this country feel like their value system is somehow more important then ours.

I was talking to someone last night and I believe the terrorists and radical Islam are winning this war. We are bending over backwards for these people and they haven't helped us one bit in the war on terror. They sue us when we look at them wrong, they refuse to do their jobs if it interferes with their religion, they just don't fit in, and the Dems make it seem like it’s our fault. Go ahead vote against the future of this country because voting Dem is exactly that.

I'm always amused when a non economist tries to tell an economist what the economy has done and why, mostly based on the nonsense spouted in the media and political propaganda.

As to 911, that has been coopted as a classic politcal tactic citing security as the excuse for every great folly.

As to Newt Gingrich...let each one make up his own mind on him.

As to the great military buildup, we've seen the results in Iraq where we've proven that our military is too expensive to use, our technology does not ultimately win the war and as a society we are not willing to shoulder great losses to prevail.

While we are busy thinking we are great and mighty, the world is out-competing us on every level. How long will this last?

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Originally Posted by GreatSiteCongrats

I'm always amused when a non economist tries to tell an economist what the economy has done and why, mostly based on the nonsense spouted in the media and political propaganda.

As to 911, that has been coopted as a classic politcal tactic citing security as the excuse for every great folly.

As to Newt Gingrich...let each one make up his own mind on him.

As to the great military buildup, we've seen the results in Iraq where we've proven that our military is too expensive to use, our technology does not ultimately win the war and as a society we are not willing to shoulder great losses to prevail.

While we are busy thinking we are great and mighty, the world is out-competing us on every level. How long will this last?

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As an economist perhaps you would like enlighten us a bit as to how the Dems have done a better job, because perhaps I’m not smarter enough based on your statement? I do find It interesting how in one paragraph you can state that my vision of the economy is based on "nonsense spouted in the media and political propaganda" but then you go on to state almost from the mouth of Dem News Network aka CNN about Iraq. Great losses, what great losses, while all the losses in Iraq have been tragic causalities in Iraq can't compare to past conflicts has the media even mentioned that fact? Has the media even covered that the current problems in Iraq are centered in Central Iraq and in no way represent a total collapse of the country? What happened to the word “Civil War?” The media was throwing that word around a lot before the build up, don’t hear that anymore.

Ever since the recent build up of forces in Iraq our losses have gone done and so has the kidnapping and execution of Western workers, you don't hear that though. You don’t hear that in Northern Iraq the country is flourishing. I find it a bit odd that in one breath someone can state it amazes them how media and political agenda can form some else’s belief of the economy but then in another statement what they have to say on the topic is solid fact and not swayed by the media and political propaganda.

I agree with you that the world is outpacing us in some areas but that doesn’t mean we are on the road to collapse, in fact it means opportunity for U.S interests in those countries. I’ll take my company for example, the growing middle class in India is a boom for us, and we are poised to become the largest supplier of health care products in India, a market that is as large as the U.S middle class market. Lastly to address your statement “I'm voting for the Democrats who have a better track record with fiscal responsibility.” I’ll leave you with this not so distance memory…President Johnson and Carter.

I don't watch CNN and I'm not a Democrat.

I choose to reason for myself from contacts who are working in the field and who can provide frist hand information that I trust in consideration of the source.

For example, I was a senior economist at the world's lrgest central bank when I worked with Mr. Rubens and Mr. Greenspan and so I know firsthand regarding the economic policies of Bill Clinton and Mr. Gingrich's contributions.

I've sold millions of metric tons of sugar to Iraq through one key American who is the only one who can get sugar into Iraq and he's a Bush family friend.

I have a business partner who is a retired Admiral.

My entire career has been spent in key circles of one kind or another and I form my opinions from my own experiences.

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Originally Posted by GreatSiteCongrats

I don't watch CNN and I'm not a Democrat.

I choose to reason for myself from contacts who are working in the field and who can provide frist hand information that I trust in consideration of the source.

For example, I was a senior economist at the world's lrgest central bank when I worked with Mr. Rubens and Mr. Greenspan and so I know firsthand regarding the economic policies of Bill Clinton and Mr. Gingrich's contributions.

I've sold millions of metric tons of sugar to Iraq through one key American who is the only one who can get sugar into Iraq and he's a Bush family friend.

I have a business partner who is a retired Admiral.

My entire career has been spent in key circles of one kind or another and I form my opinions from my own experiences.

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Well thanks for the resume and list of credentials, is it suppose to impress me somehow? It fails to show us how the Democrats have been stronger in economic policy then the GOP. Your experience should have given you plenty of examples of how Clinton and the Dem’s policies helped the country towards economic growth, please share. Because as far as I'm concerned and many others with friends like yours, what drew this country to the biggest economic boom in its history was trickle down economics and the advancement of technology during the 1980s that fell into the public's hands in the early to mid 90s.

As an economist I'm sure your familiar with good debt and bad debt, somehow it’s always decided on that deficits and deficit spending is a bad thing. By no means is it a bad thing if it’s being spent on the right causes. Spending under Regan did put us in a huge deficit but it contributed to the fall of the Soviet Empire and the advancements discovered through defense spending lead to lots of people making some real money in the 90s.

The name of the show is called "American Idol", so, the best singer may not win. However, the winners of American Idol do quite well on the billboards.

Very true. And reflective of the democratic process.



It is always hard to judge a President in the present day, it takes history to judge a President.


Spot on, Mike. Best words yet!

I've come to learn that economic trends are shaped from initiatives set forth years before, taking time to take effect. So if you liked the Clinton years, say thanks to Papa Bush.

I do think that our economic strategies are balanced out by having a Democrat one terma nd a Repub the next. It's a good control.

I have to say I can understnadif people want to test the waters to vote Democrat for the upcoming Presedential election, but I can't see it being for better fiscal esponsibility, but for a different (not necessarily better) stance on foreign policy.....an issue that will shape which countries want to do business with us to begin with.

Oh Phil! Papa Bush? lol

Even Papa had enough sense not to march to Baghdad and show the world the truth of our military invincibility.

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Word on the street (since I don't watch the show) is Sanjaya finally got booted tonight. Good news: today's Post reports his sister is on her way to L.A. to launch a music career which has been jumpstarted by the low cut shirts she wore to her brother's performances.

In response to the Iraq comment, there is much that is not public knowladge. I come from a family that is very politically and militaraly involved and intrested. My cousin is in intell in the US Navy flying the EP3E and we have had many discussions. What the media says is sheer filtered bull****. I do not want to get into a fire war here so I will zip my lips at this point.

I think I jumped and yelped last night when I heard the words "Sanjaya, you are going home tonight". I was really surprised Blake and Lakeesha where up last night and was pretty upset because I like them both!

Regardless that Sanjaya got booted off this guy has a treasure chest of deals waiting for him, endorsements, record contracts, TV deals, sponsorships. He's set for life after this, even if he fades, which I'm sure he will. The money he'll make in the short term can be a nice net egg if he's smart about not blowing it.

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Regardless that Sanjaya got booted off this guy has a treasure chest...

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