Well I just heard he has taken the initial steps for a bid for president. I don't really know about the fella. What's his story?
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Well I just heard he has taken the initial steps for a bid for president. I don't really know about the fella. What's his story?
Allot of ppl say he doesn't have the experience but they also said that about JFK to. I like Obama because he's young and is a visionary; he hasn't got mired down yet by the good ole boys on Capital Hill. He has allot going for him, one the press loves him and he's a winner in front of the camera so if he has a solid plan he will really be able to rally the people to his camp. I'm a registered Republican but I've followed Obama for a few years now and like what I've seen. I wouldn't mind seeing him and Lieberman together.
Nothing special, the more you learn about the guy, the more you will ask, "What's the big deal?"Quote:
Originally Posted by mirrodie
I heard one guy describe him as young, good looking, & has a deep voice...
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So your saying he already has the gay vote in his favor Mike? :wink:Quote:
I heard one guy describe him as young, good looking, & has a deep voice...
Democrats won't touch Lieberman with a 10 foot pole & after the crap that they put Liberman through in CT, I doubt that Liberman will ever run on a Democratic Presidential of any type.....Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Bird76
TommyQuote:
Originally Posted by T-Bird76
You are such as an arse, damn that was funny!
Nothing special, and doesn't have enough experience. You wouldn't have a new employee of a company run the entire company would you?
One of the things I like about him is - after he did that lead in to Monday Night Football for ESPN - he's not scared of showing a bit of character and sense of humor about him - yes - the presidency is a serious job - but - to see a little of his "other side" - if Bob Dole or some other candidates had done that - I think they might have gone a little further.
Bob Dole was a joke, he shouldn't have gone as far as he did! ;)
You’re talking apples and oranges here. It’s not like Obama is a Congressional clerk who decided to run for President. Clinton didn't have all the much experience either as we heard so much of during the 94 election. The same thing applies to JFK, he too was downplayed for not having enough experience. Obama is a natural leader, his presence alone draws people to him, our current President is a laughing stock in the leadership arena. Even after his new Iraq plan the public isn't supporting him. My god after Clinton lied under oath the country still loved him. I'm not saying what Clinton did was right but it serves as an example of the kind of passion and persuasion some people have.Quote:
Originally Posted by nwafan20
Also what is this "experience" everyone keeps talking about? Is talking to a leader of a Union or a Country Supervisor that much different then talking to the leader of a country? He's the facts my friends it isn't. While there may be different topics at stake the same basic principles of negotiation, decorum, and persuasion apply. We somehow feel that you have to have years of being in politics in order to be President. This is nothing more then a fallacy of tradition with no merit to it at all, if you disagree show me some examples. In the mean time I’ll give you some examples of Presidents with experience that haven’t been good leaders. Let’s start with Carter, he had experience and he was certainly not the best President we had, He’s been a stellar leader since but not while he was in office. Johnson had more expirence then any President I could think of and he was a total disaster. Eisenhower had tons of experience and he was a terrible President. So the experience argument is really poor guys. If you’re going to say he’s not experienced let’s see some examples of his failures.
This country needs someone who’s going to bring us back together and give us a common goal to strive for, maybe that’s Obama maybe its not. The fact is this country is split more then it has ever been. In the past America was working towards a better tomorrow. As a young nation we worked to grow this country from coast to coast, during the mid 20th century our freedom was at stake from communism and we worked to economically destroy that ideology. Today we work for that Café Late at Starbucks. We are totally blind to the fact that countries like China and India are raising powers in technology, science, and industry. A perfect example of American industry dropping the ball is Embraer. If I was to say 20 years ago a Brazilian company building planes in the jungle would dominate the lucrative 100 seat market people would have laughed at me. Boeing was aslept at the wheel during the 90s, if it wasn’t for the 777 they’d be in deep crap. There is NO reason we let that market escape from us, any suggestion to the contrary is BS.
Science and math are top priorities in countries like India and China, while here we make it easier for our children to pass math and science by lowering the passing grade in our High Schools. We educate people from China and India here in the U.S but when they finish school we boot them out because we want to save jobs for Americans, we should be encouraging these people to stay and help our economy and our future. Anyone who thinks The United States is untouchable and will be around forever is totally narrowed minded. Threats to our country don’t just come in the form of terrorism, and military powers, tomorrow’s threats to our way of life will be economic. Now more then ever do we need a leader who can define our path for the future. The 2008 election should not be a debate over the Middle East it should be a debate over the future course of our country and the leader who has the vision to inspire us to move forward.
TommyQuote:
Originally Posted by T-Bird76
Obama is not the leader that you are looking for, he was in the Chicago State Senate & then went into the US Senate. Senator Obama is certainly not the Independant mind that the Media has made him out to be...
Had Obama been a Governor or something, then maybe we can talk...
As far as experience, it at least gives them potential & certainly does not gurantee success.
Personally, I do not like Senators running for the White House, which is one of the reasons that Senator McCain does not impress me.....
As for a uniter, somebody like a Rudy could do just that, somebody that could attrack both Democrats & Republicans alike....
The Dems hated Rudy in NY when he was in power. If you want someone who can unite both parties lets look at Arnold but we know that can't happen.Quote:
As for a uniter, somebody like a Rudy could do just that, somebody that could attrack both Democrats & Republicans alike....
That is another example, (by the way, New York Democrats voted for Rudy).Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Bird76
As to Arnold, the Democrats hate the guy, unions would like nothing better than for Arnold to leave. The teachers union in California ran attack ads against Arnold for a year straight....
But, in Rudy, you have a Mayor & with Arnold you have a Governor, though the Constitution keeps Arnold from running.
As for somebody providing unity to the country, as long you have Democrats & Republicans, Liberal & Conservatives, Libertarians & the Green Party, there is never going to be complete unity until we have cross over canidates.
A Conservative Democrat can not get elected, a Liberal Republican would have a better chance, but, not as long as abortion is considered a campaign issue
The NY Dems voted for Rudy but the Political leaders hated him! I like Rudy but I don't see him winning. A Catholic (I'm Catholic) Italian (I'm Italian) from New York would send the south and the religous right into a tailspin. He'll need major support from the good ole boys down there at the price of perhaps some of his beleifs.
I never liked Rudy, but I agree with you Tommy, a liberal northern Republican would stand little chance getting the nomination. If somehow he did, he would probably do well in the general election, although I don't know how well he would go over in the south.
Oh, and Mario, you started this by asking "I don't really know about the fella. What's his story?" - for starters, his name is "Barack Obama" :wink:
Agreed. The South and parts of the Midwest would need a lot of convincing done.Quote:
The NY Dems voted for Rudy but the Political leaders hated him! I like Rudy but I don't see him winning. A Catholic (I'm Catholic) Italian (I'm Italian) from New York would send the south and the religous right into a tailspin. He'll need major support from the good ole boys down there at the price of perhaps some of his beleifs.
BTW...Italian Catholic Pride right here, too!! :D
Oh, this is funny, looks like he was reading off the wrong script!!!!
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Moose, you know, I just got back from the hospital and they were discussing him on the radio....
That was when I started thinking.."did I say Obama Barack or Barack Obama in the thread?" LOL.
And after reading all the replies, I though maybe I'd gotten away with it ;) I stand corrected. :D
I like Obama. When I talk to people about him, I hear over and over "He has no experience," and then whe I ask those same people "Will you vote for him?" they say "Oh, yeah."
The thing is that he's got energy and is a new, fresh face that the US needs, andthat's what peopel will vote for. There are no other good contenders these days....just a bunch of faces that we've been seeing for years that everyone is sick of.
In all honesty, he will need to choose a non-Jewish white male to run with him to get the votes he needs.
People don't know who or what they want. The American people don't vote or get involved in the political process, yet, they will be the first one to say who they like or don't like, or complain about the system.
The last election which received a ton of media attention had voter turnout in the 40% range....
There was a special election last year in Calfornia, 38% voter turnout.....
Joe Lieberman is a member of the "Connecticut for Lieberman" party.
Be careful how you throw the experience card around, too. Completely objectively, the people mentioned in the thread had the following experience:
Eisenhower - no elective office.
JFK - 8 years US Senate
LBJ - 12 years US House, 12 years US Senate, 3 years VP
Carter - 4 years GA Senate, 4 years GA Governor
Clinton - 2 years AR Atty Gen, 12 years AR Governor
Obama - 8 years IL Senate, 4 years US Senate (as of Nov. 2008)
Giuliani - 8 years NYC Mayor
By the way, the last sitting Senator elected President was Kennedy, although both Johnson and Nixon were former Senators (and former VPs) at the time of their respective elections.