Looks like some additional footage has surfaced regarding the cause of the crash...WOW
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Looks like some additional footage has surfaced regarding the cause of the crash...WOW
This is always to be done anytime theres a specific report of birds for at least 15 mins or until It was this way before this even happened. Bird strikes happen pretty often and the FAA keeps track of every time it happens. Here's what happened to a Continental 737 engine last year when it hit a flock of birds on take off. http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5952327Quote:
Originally Posted by Planesntrains
I don't remember anyone asking me that, because they were seagulls at or below 100 feetQuote:
Originally Posted by Planesntrains
Haha. Nice to put some identity to the voice Bill. :)
Forgot about this one...guessing this van doesn't get to visit Manhattan all too often.
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Sidenote: are there any vans in new colors? :)
WOW.
An anetter happens to live in a high rise apartment on River Terrace right across the street from the spot where the plane was tied up and he filmed just about every second the plane was there, and posted the vids online as time lapse footage. Pretty amazing.
http://www.kontain.com/david/#entries/entry/11659
Great coverage guys.
Comments and photos added background that was otherwise impossible for those of us in the antipodes to get.
Thanks to all that braved the weather (and autorities)
Cheers
Chris
WOW Amazing Videos and Photos! He Just pulled every photo of his from Anet due to issues he had with the forums. HisQuote:
Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
comments below explain his issue with them. He has some amazing stuff there. I would love to see all his still. The shots I
have seen look great.
Tuesday update:
* US Airways has mailed a $5,000 check to each passenger to compensate for lost belongings.
* NYPD continues to search for the left engine and has brought in a sonar expert from the NOAA to assist.
* They have not found the engine, but they have found 35 flotation seat cushions, 12 life jackets, 15 pieces of luggage, two briefcases, 11 purses, 15 suit jackets and shirts, four shoes and two hats
Here is the experience levels of the other crew members. Remember the pilot has 19 to 20K hours.
The huge total flight experience among the crew contributed to the successful outcome :
First Officer Jeffrey B. Skiles, joined US Airways (USAir) in 1986. He has a total of 15,643 flight hours and previously flew as Captain with US Airways.
Flight Attendant Sheila Dail joined US Airways (Piedmont Airlines) in 1980 and has more than 28 years experience with the airline.
Flight Attendant Doreen Welsh joined US Airways (Allegheny Airlines) in 1970 and has more than 38 years experience with the airline.
Flight Attendant Donna Dent joined US Airways (Piedmont Airlines) in 1982 and has more than 26 years experience with the airline.
NTSB PRESS CONFERENCES:
Onboard was one lap child and one toddler.
Since the weight of the airplane full of water was approximately 1 million pounds, it needed to be lifted very gradually to let water drain from the aircraft.
Water depth at impact was 50-55 feet.
A correction to prior information, the right engine is still attached; still looking for the left engine.
ATC communications were read out loud: of particular interest to us was the crew stating, "Cactus 1549 hit birds - lost thrust both engines – turning back to LGA"
TEB airport was discussed, pilots stated, "...we can't do it..."
Two Flight Attendants were interviewed. They reported hearing loud thuds/thumps and all engine noise ceased, aircraft sounded, "...like a library..."
Captain announced, "brace for impact;" F/A's yelled, "Brace, Brace, Brace"
Left front slide required manual inflation.
Front exit door, 2'-3' was above water line.
Although the rear emergency exit door was partially beneath the water. One of the passengers attempted to open it. An alert, experienced flight attendant prevented him from opening the door.
Captain returned to aircraft twice to check for passengers. Captain and each of the crew members were the last to leave the aircraft.
A later press conference :
3rd F/A has been released from hospital. Her account : "loud thunk, electrical smell." Tail section experienced a harder landing than further forward. 3rd F/A had no broken bones, but deep lacerations.
Captain, 3800 hrs in A-320
First Officer, 35 hours in an A-320
First Officer was initial PF
First Officer stated he saw birds 3-5000' off to his right
Captain looked up & said the windscreen was filled w/big dark brown birds. Said his reaction was to duck
Captain smelled burning birds
Loss of thrust, Captain, "my aircraft". First Officer, "your aircraft". Captain lowered nose because speed had decreased
Captain said power loss was symmetrical
Captain took over as PF & called for the Dual Engine failure check list
Captain said initial plan was to return to LGA. He said he was too slow & too low, it was too populated. Teterboro was too far, populated and would be catastrophic if he didn't make it. As stated in earlier brief, he stated, "going to be in the Hudson".
Captain focused on flying
First Officer focused on checklist & re-starting the engines
This checklist was designed to run at FL350
Captain called for flaps 2
Captain made the "brace" call over the P/A
Captain said he had been trained to ditch near a vessel if able, so he tried to land close to a boat
The aircraft lost electrical once in the water
Captain called for Evacuation, F/A's had already initiated it
Captain stated that, " he could not be more happy that he got everyone off ."
Questioning session :
First Officer saw the birds, noted to himself that they were flying in a line
Emergency Ditching P/B was not activated to shut down various systems. Because its activation was down the checklist on page 3 ; before striking the water they didn't have time to get to page 3.
First Officer, while low time in AB, but typed in other aircraft, glass cockpit, had been a Captain before, IOE was completed.
Captain estimated the aircraft struck the birds between 220 & 250kts
How did F/A get lacerations? Doesn't know. Initialy, she didn't realize she was hurt. After she sending the passengers up the aisle, she felt the pain and noticed that she was bleeding.
Here is a link with a little more detail about the checks to each passenger, which also included a refund of their entire airfare.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/01/20/us ... index.html
And BTW re the US van a few photos up there are none in the new livery, most ground equipment is plain white with a new usairways wordmark. The last time I drove that van was to see the AA DC-3 in their hangar a few months ago BTW.
LGA777
Here is a brief note from Capt Sullenberger, who BTW CNN did show leaving the platform today at the Inauguration, quite a deserved honor IMO.
A MESSAGE FROM CAPTAIN SULLY SULLENBERGER
The following is a personal message from Flight 1549 Captain,
Sully Sullenberger. I have been asked to relay his letter to our
Flight Attendants. On behalf of AFA-CWA, we want to extend our
appreciation to Captain Sullenberger and First Officer Jeff
Skiles.
To My Fellow Pilots,
I am truly humbled and honored that, for an unknown purpose, the
crewmembers of Flight 1549 and I have been chosen by fate to
represent the professional airline employees of US Airways. I do
not take this honor lightly and, as future events unfold, I
pledge to do my utmost to live up to your expectations.
Many factors influenced the outcome of Flight 1549. I am certain
that the positive result is due to the crew effort - without
Jeff, Donna, Doreen and Sheila, we would not have been
successful at saving so many lives. In addition, all who were
involved in removing the passengers and crew from the Hudson's
icy waters will always have my deepest appreciation.20
As pilots and as union members, we are part of a brotherhood. I
want to thank USAPA and all of its committee members who
protected me and my crew during this trying time. We also thank
you, our fellow pilots, for your generous show of support.
Sincerely,
Sully Sullenberger
"Thanks Sully and crew"
LGA777
Has anyone heard about this? Did I miss it somewhere else? http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/19/hudson.plane.folo/
LOL yes you did. Shame on you not seeing the thread about this. I wrote about it last night in this thread but the "powers-to-be" made it into a new thread,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mellyrose
:shock: :)
Fail, Mel. :p
Airbus just received this warning letter in the mail today
http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/...nal-poster.jpg
Looks like this may be an act of terror after all. This photo has surfaced and was reported to have been taken just before the incident. Looks like an act of Suicide Geese. The evil doers know no boundaries.
http://www.nycaviation.com/hosting/CGA.jpg
LL just got hat this AM too. Too funny. THanks for posting Tom.
The geese had the right-a-way they were honking...
not true. the geese are more manueverable than an A320, and according to FAR part 91 a more-maneuverable aircraft must give right-of-way to a less maneuverable aircraft. since the geese can turn on a dime they should have given way to my A320. you'll all see, the NTSB will sight pilot (goose) error and blame canada for this accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari707
:borat:
It is now being reported that the ducks had been given a life alert flight number and were bringing an Aflack Bill. There were no comments from the tower if they were squawking as requested. A Fetheral investigation will take 1 year as we have to wait for the next winter migration to interview other witnesses. :borat:
That's just classic...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Derf
I made one more trip down to Jersey City sice the weather was nice. Thanks to Jakub for the help finding the place.
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Bill
Awesome shots, Bill. You can really see the damage the birds did.
Wednesday update:
* NYPD divers have located the missing left engine at the bottom of the Hudson. An Army Corps of Engineers ship with a 20-ton crane will lift the engine, possibly tomorrow, depending on ice conditions in the river.
* NTSB reported finding "organic material" and a feather in the right engine. A sample of what are likely bird guts will be sent to the Dept. of Agriculture for DNA analysis, while the feather has been sent to the Smithsonian for identification.
One Police Plaza
The NYPD Rescue: The Best and the Missing
By: Leonard Levitt – Monday, January 19th, 2009 ‘NYPD Confidential.Com’
(Op/Ed - Commentary)
The world saw the NYPD at its best last week, when two police divers were lowered from an unmarked Bell 412EP police helicopter into the frigid waters of the Hudson River to save passengers from US Air Flight 1549.
What the world didn’t realize was that both the NYPD’s $12 million rescue helicopters — and, sources said, at least one of its four patrol helicopters — were out of service. The department’s Aviation Unit has seven helicopters in all.
That is why the unmarked Bell 412 was pressed into duty. That’s the super-secret, counter-terrorism-fighting, surveillance helicopter with no markings that Police Commissioner Ray Kelly has trumpeted as the department’s aerial answer to the next 9/ll.
How secret the helicopter will be now that it has been shown on virtually every news organization in the country remains uncertain.
Maintenance problems and poor management have plagued the Aviation Unit over the past few years.
In April 2006, this column reported on the relationship between the unit’s commanding officer, Inspector Joseph Gallucci, and his private flight instructor, Mario Bernardini, whose company bought three NYPD helicopters in a bizarre swap that resulted in the NYPD’s purchase of four newer helicopters that were soon grounded with maintenance problems.
Gallucci is no longer with the unit. Maintenance responsibility now lies with the head of the Special Operations Division Assistant Chief Charles Kammerdener.
Kammerdener was to have replaced Assistant Chief John Colgan in the Counter Terrorism unit following Colgan’s retirement last year. He’s still at SOD.
I noticed that chopper in some photos...didn't realize they were using it for rescue, thought they were just observing the scene...wow.
It's not much of a secret anyway. Anyone who has seen that chopper and all the cameras, sensors and antennae stuck to the belly and roof would know it's not Chuck Dolan commuting to work. Sort of like an unmarked Crown Vic police car...nothing on it says POLICE, but everyone knows it's a police car.Quote:
Originally Posted by emshighway
You know I hate that about the unmarked nypd cars... they stick out like sore thumbs...Quote:
Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
Now Nassau County does it right, i've seen them use a yellow cab as an unmarked...
Ive also seen the NCPD use minivans, an old school red Oldsmobile thats been beat to hell, and a 98 black mustang, that will line up next to you if you and try to catch you in a race.
that's N23FH, for "Fallen Heroes," and it's one kick-ass bird. i've seen it up close bit never been allowed to even touch it. tom turner has a shot of it here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1160652...17959/sizes/o/.Quote:
Originally Posted by emshighway
>What the world didn’t realize was that both the NYPD’s $12 million rescue helicopters — and, sources said, at least one of its four patrol helicopters — were out of service. The department’s Aviation Unit has seven helicopters in all.<
It is also possible that the two 412s (#12 and #14) were just down for routine scheduled maintenance when this accident happened.
Plus there is TONS of helo mutual aid in the tri-state area with NY & NJ State Police, Nassau & Suffolk PDs, PAPD, USCG and 106th Air Rescue and most of the ships are equipped with rescue hoists.
I wonder who the "sources" are? :?
>Maintenance problems and poor management have plagued the Aviation Unit over the past few years.
Thats interesting, I did not know that. NYPD AU were always the top dogs in LE Aviation throughout the country.
>In April 2006, this column reported on the relationship between the unit’s commanding officer, Inspector Joseph Gallucci, and his private flight instructor, Mario Bernardini, whose company bought three NYPD helicopters in a bizarre swap that resulted in the NYPD’s purchase of four newer helicopters that were soon grounded with maintenance problems. <
Now THAT is real interesting. I wondered where the Bells went. And were ALL the Agustas grounded by maintenance problems at
the same time? THAT sounds a little off.
This helo is out flying all the time. But instead of the PD callsign it uses its "N" #. It also uses discrete NYPD beacon codes.
Yeah, when they are talking to ATC they use the "Two Three Foxtrot Hotel" callsign but on PD radio,especially the SOD frequency theyQuote:
Originally Posted by njgtr82
ID themselves as "Aviation 23". And if you look up the N # the listing of owner is "Montero Inc" on 86 Street in Brooklyn. :?
BTw, love Google - http://www.nypdconfidential.com/columns ... 60417.html
There was footage on the news of the divers actually jumping out of the chopper. It was a front view and from a distance, so I couldn't ID it as anything.
BBC pretends to be Capt. Sully in MS Flight Sim:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7834499.stm
I saw a yellow cab with the red/blue police light in the window speeding down 34th Street once.Quote:
Originally Posted by mmedford
I got Bill to spill the beans on where in Jersey City N106US is, so I took a ride over this afternoon. They had her turned around facing the opposite direction from when Bill saw her.
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You can see the damage to the lower fuselage where it hit the water:
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NYPD was just departing when I got there.
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After taking a bunch of shots, I made a stop for lunch, then headed back over for one last look. To my horror, I discovered that in the hour that I was away, they removed the right side engine, placing it down near the nose.
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Someone sent me these shots. Don't know who took them but from the location it appears some to be from the crane.
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Can someone tell me How I can get to where the plane is in Jersey City by Public Transportation? I love to get some shots of it there.
Another round of great shots Moose, thanks for another trip to Jersey to share these images with the rest of us. And emshighway those shots are amazing, I especially like the nose on shot of the A-320 from the crane, very unique perspective.
It appears both Flight 1549
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAirways_flight_1549
and Captain Sullenberger have new very detailed Wiki pages,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullenberger
there is even a photo of Sully and his FO Jeff at the inuaguration.
Seperately I understand when Sully arrived in DCA he recieved a standing ovation from EVERYONE on the concourse. When he returns to the line we hope to do something very special on his first trip thru LGA.
Regards
LGA777
Please let me know, I would like to be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by LGA777