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Anyone know the plane's destination?
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Originally Posted by Phil D.
Anyone know the plane's destination?
I think we can go euro style and ship it down the river to Philly. Even if the plane itself won't fly anymore, i'm sure it can still be used by US airways for parts; while the NTSB conducts their investigation.
what i mean by euro style:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-Fran ... 0388079/L/
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=396126
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Originally Posted by Phil D.
Anyone know the plane's destination?
Well Friday I heard marine terminal @ LGA because of the ramp...
But that doesn't rule out JFK (hangar space), Floyd Bennett (again open space with the ability to get a large crane without affecting airport ops) or even Jersey.
who really knows?
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Floyd Bennett is my first guess, followed by JFK. Not sure there's any room for it at LGA, and I don't think NTSB would want to move it as far as PHL and risk further damage during transport.
I also don't think US would risk reusing any parts at this point, having been waterlogged and now partially frozen.
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Originally Posted by Phil D.
Anyone know the plane's destination?
Foxnews tonight said a "secure location in NJ". My guess is somewhere in Bayonne then
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>I was out there with Bill and Moose today, great to shot with you guys today! Even though the weather was cr@p (it felt like 10 degrees out) it was worth it.
Great job under trying conditions. As of 11PM tonite crews are still working to lift the aircraft out. And reportedly it will be taken
to NJ for investigation.
Covering this and waiting must have been frustrating. At 9:25 tonite I heard Chopper 12 telling FRG they were cancelled by their
assignment desk and were heading back in. The pilot told tower they had been back and forth all day from 9AM into Manhattan.
And from pictures it sure looks like a media circus down there.
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I'm going to guess Floyd Bennett..... Unless they place the A/C on the barge in just the right position and time the tide correctly it will not fit through the A-Train trestle in Jamaica bay
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Originally Posted by NYCMedic
I'm going to guess Floyd Bennett..... Unless they place the A/C on the barge in just the right position and time the tide correctly it will not fit through the A-Train trestle in Jamaica bay
Isn't that a drawbridge?
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Originally Posted by NYCMedic
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Originally Posted by Phil D.
I can only speak for the 757 and 767, which do in fact have a ditch switch.
Who operates 757s and 767s with a "Ditch Switch?"
Sorry for bringing this back up.
No one has a switch that can close all panels other than Airbus. Boeing never made a Ditch Button for the 75s/76s. You pretty much have to manually turn off all inlets. But on 757's/767's they do not have external PACK or CAB ALT "covers" that can close. So I guess they close up internally. I know on Airbus a/c they have a cover for every inlet obviously since the Ditching button controls them all.
This is the procedure for Ditching a Boeing. You can see you have to turn off all inlets manually.
For a 757/767
1. Distress Signal............................................ ...............................................Tra nsmit
“Mayday, Mayday, Mayday”
Transmit present position, altitude, heading, speed, type of aircraft, situation
and intentions. Estimate time and position of intended touchdown, and
request intercept.
2. Transponder .................................................. .................................. Set code 7700
3. Considerations:
• Plan Flaps 30 unless another configuration is required
• Conditions permitting, burn off fuel to reduce touchdown speed and increase
buoyancy
4. Advise flight attendants and passengers to prepare for ditching. Seat passengers
as far forward as possible.
Below 5000 feet:
5. GND PROX/CONFIG GEAR OVRD Switch ................................................. OVRD
6. PACK Control Selectors (both)............................................ ............................ OFF
7. CABIN ALTITUDE MODE SELECT .................................................. ..............MAN
8. CABIN ALTITUDE MANUAL CONTROL Selector ................................DESCEND
[Positions outflow valve fully closed.]
9. SEAT BELT/NO SMOKING........................................... ....................................ON
10. Life Vests, Shoulder Harnesses & Seat Belts .................................................. .ON
11. Considerations:
• Plan touchdown upwind side & parallel to waves and swells
12. Review after-ditching actions:
• Initiate evacuation
• Proceed to primary ditching stations (captain 1L, first officer 1R), launch rafts
and evacuate the airplane as soon as practical
• Ensure Emergency Locator Transmitter onboard slide/raft
13. Passenger Cabin .................................................. ..................................... Secured
14. Final Position .................................................. ...........................................Transmi t
[Transmit all pertinent information regarding final ditching position.]
Final Approach (Omit Landing Checklist):
15. Landing Gear Lever (do not extend)........................................... ........................UP
16. Flaps............................................. ......Verify .................................................. .....30
17. Just prior to touchdown (30 secs)............................................. ........ Advise on PA,
“Brace For Impact”
18. Maintain airspeed at VREF 30 to touchdown.
19. Flare airplane to achieve minimum rate of descent at touchdown.
Do not stall the airplane.
20. Ditching Preparation Checklist complete.
For a 737
1. Distress Signal......................................Transm it “MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY”
Transmit present position, flight level, heading, speed, type of aircraft,
situation, souls on board, estimated time and position of intended touchdown,
and request intercept.
2. Transponder .................................................. .................................. Set code 7700
3. Considerations:
• Burn off fuel to reduce touchdown speed and increase buoyancy.
• Plan flaps 40 landing unless another configuration is required.
4. Flight Attendants .................................................. ........................................... Brief
Seat passengers as far forward as possible.
[Brief flight attendants on emergency landing in time for cabin preparation.
Advise that the “Brace For Impact” signal will occur over the PA approximately
30 seconds before touchdown.]
Caution
Ensure Aft Doors are not opened unless absolutely necessary, as
they may be partially submerged.
5. Cockpit........................................... .................................................. ...........Prepare
Strap down all loose articles. Don life vests at the earliest opportunity, do not
inflate inside aircraft. Remove uniform ties and any sharp objects from pockets.
6. Ditching Checklist complete
Ditching Descent Approach Checklist
1. Altimeters ........................................... Verify......................... __.__/or transition FL
2. Bugs.............................................. ..... Verify............................ Set (VREF as req’d)
When below 5,000 feet
3. Aural Warning circuit breaker (P6 panel) .................................................. ........ Pull
[Prevents warning horn with gear retracted and landing flaps selected.]
4. Seat Belt/No Smoking........................................... .............................................ON
5. Engine BLEED Switches.......................................... ........................................OFF
[Permits depressurizing the airplane with outflow valve closed.]
6. Pressurization Mode Selector .................................................. .................MAN DC
7. Outflow Valve Switch .................................................. ................................CLOSE
[The outflow valve takes up to 20 seconds to close. Prevents water from
entering the airplane.]
8. APU Switch .................................................. .................................................. ..OFF
9. GROUND PROXIMITY .................................................. .......GEAR/FLAP INHIBIT
10. GPWS OVRD/FAIL Switch............................................ ............. OVERRIDE
GROUND PROXIMITY .................................................. ......TERR INHIBIT
11. Life Vests, Shoulder Harnesses, & Seat Belts .................................................. . On
12. Passenger Cabin Preparation....................................... ................Check Complete
[Ensure passenger cabin preparations are complete. Seat passengers with life
vests on and seat belts fastened.]
13. Final Position .................................................. .......................................... Transmit
[Transmit all pertinent information regarding final ditching position.]
14. Landing considerations:
• Plan touchdown on upwind side & parallel to waves and swells.
• Maintain VREF and 200-300 fpm sink rate to flare.
• At flare, rotate smoothly to touchdown attitude (10°-12°), maintain speed
and minimum rate of descent with thrust.
• At touchdown, reduce thrust to idle.
15. After impact considerations:
• Start Levers to CUTOFF.
[Closes fuel shutoff valves to prevent discharge of fuel from ruptured
fuel lines.]
• Open cockpit windows to ensure no residual cabin differential pressure
prevents opening doors or emergency exits.
• Engine and APU Fire Shutoff Handles override, pull and rotate.
• Initiate evacuation.
• Proceed to primary ditching stations (captain 1L, F/O 1R), launch rafts and
evacuate the airplane as soon as practical.
[The airplane may remain afloat indefinitely if fuel load is minimal and
no serious damage was sustained during landing.]
16. “Ditching Descent Approach Checklist” complete.
Ditching Landing Checklist
1. LANDING GEAR (Do Not Extend) ..... Verify............................................ ..UP/OFF
2. FLAPS............................................. ... Verify............................ _____, Green Light
3. “Ditching Landing Checklist” complete, and
? Just prior to touchdown (30 sec) advise on PA ”Brace for impact”.
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The pilots reported that they never even used the ditch switch.
Water was only in the cabin because a passenger opened a door open a little bit that she wasn't supposed to.
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Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
Unbelievable... all there yesterday. And they decide to do it as I'm packing my gear for Sunday lol.
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Originally Posted by njgtr82
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Originally Posted by Phil D.
Anyone know the plane's destination?
Foxnews tonight said a "secure location in NJ". My guess is somewhere in Bayonne then
Yeah, it's looking like the old Bayonne Naval Terminal.
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We have all heard so much about Sully, but here is a little bit about the F/O Jeff.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01172009/ne ... 150583.htm
I read on another site the crew was on their last leg of a 4 day trip, and they had flown PIT-CLT-LGA and then 1549 to CLT. Ship 106 started her day in chiily MSP, flying MSP-CLT-LGA before operating 1549 to CLT.
Regards
LGA777
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So clearly one of the engines stayed on, is the other side gone?
Corey
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Did anyone know G-BOAD making an appearance it ehbackground of the USCG video?
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Originally Posted by Phil D.
Did anyone know G-BOAD making an appearance it ehbackground of the USCG video?
Yeah, I saw that. In fact on A.net someone asked "Am I seeing things, or was there a Concorde on that video?" I reminded him we have things like that in NYC. :wink:
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They have released the NYFD dispatch tapes, warning it's almost a 24 min recording.
http://www.nypost.com/video/?vxSiteId=a ... itrate=300
Regards
LGA777
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>They have released the NYFD dispatch tapes, warning it's almost a 24 min recording.<
Pretty intense stuff especially when the job is confirmed and they declare a "10-60" Major Incident. You can imagine what
is going through the minds of all the first responders upon hearing of a commercial jetliner in the water. I thought the
Manhattan FD dispatcher did a very good job and you can also hear the Bronx dispatcher in the background also receiving
calls.
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The Aircraft will be going to Weeks Marine on Linden Ave in Jersey City. Other recoveries have been brought there. From there would be anyone's guess.
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You beat me to it Bill! Wow, what a difference a day makes, it was almost toasty warm today compared to Saturday! I was disappointed that they lifted the jet last night after we waited all day, but when I heard it was still at Battery Park City, I had to take a run in.
http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/4...57_rEP3u-L.jpg
http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/4...11_f63qo-L.jpg
http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/4...99_UpE6y-L.jpg
That's not you, is it, Ron?
http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/4...67_DiCeg-L.jpg
http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/4...01_p94vH-L.jpg
And on JP.net:
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6465555
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Originally Posted by Corey
So clearly one of the engines stayed on, is the other side gone?
Corey
Yes. Apparently broke off on impact. They found it last night I think, using sonar. It was in the drink basically where N106US came to rest.
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I hung out down there for awhile today hoping to see them move it but I gave up after a couple hours...1010WINS now says the barge is finally on the move. Oh well.
Here are some shots I got. So many trucks, trees and people in the way, I only had my short lens.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3423/...b78afa8f_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3117/...d40d7cf1_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3385/...b2266171_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3257/...dd91d883_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3305/...299310d7_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3299/...8b2dc80f_o.jpg
Bonus! Some other vehicles you don't normally find on the river: about 40 recently retired subway cars on their way to being reefed on the bottom of the Atlantic.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3392/...7a6bc783_o.jpg
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Sunday evening update:
* The barge carrying the plane has completed its journey across the river to Jersey City.
* NYPD believes it has located the missing left engine via sonar, but will not send divers down there to verify until Tuesday due to the ice in the river.
* Capt. Sullenberger will not appear on the Today show Monday morning as originally planned after being asked by the pilot's union to wait.
* There is word that Capt. Sullenberger and his family have been invited to the inauguration on Tuesday.
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Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
Floyd Bennett is my first guess, followed by JFK. Not sure there's any room for it at LGA, and I don't think NTSB would want to move it as far as PHL and risk further damage during transport.
I also don't think US would risk reusing any parts at this point, having been waterlogged and now partially frozen.
I think Airbus wants it for long term examination and to avoid parts being used.
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The place where it is being kept in NJ, is there any public places to see it? Or did they get it into a hanger or something like that already?
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Originally Posted by Alessio
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Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
Floyd Bennett is my first guess, followed by JFK. Not sure there's any room for it at LGA, and I don't think NTSB would want to move it as far as PHL and risk further damage during transport.
I also don't think US would risk reusing any parts at this point, having been waterlogged and now partially frozen.
I think Airbus wants it for long term examination and to avoid parts being used.
It’s not up to Airbus. Once the insurance company determines the damages, and I'm sure it’s a total loss as salt water has a habit of destroying anything it touches, the insurance company will own the plane. After that what happens to it is anyone’s guess. I'm sure if Airbus wants the plane something will be worked out.
Have any lawsuits been filed yet? You know someone out of the 150 ppl on board will try to get something from US or whoever they can squeeze a dime out of.
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Originally Posted by T-Bird76
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Originally Posted by Alessio
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Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
Floyd Bennett is my first guess, followed by JFK. Not sure there's any room for it at LGA, and I don't think NTSB would want to move it as far as PHL and risk further damage during transport.
I also don't think US would risk reusing any parts at this point, having been waterlogged and now partially frozen.
I think Airbus wants it for long term examination and to avoid parts being used.
It’s not up to Airbus. Once the insurance company determines the damages, and I'm sure it’s a total loss as salt water has a habit of destroying anything it touches, the insurance company will own the plane. After that what happens to it is anyone’s guess. I'm sure if Airbus wants the plane something will be worked out.
Have any lawsuits been filed yet? You know someone out of the 150 ppl on board will try to get something from US or whoever they can squeeze a dime out of.
Well the first real day of business since that accident and figure a day to be relieved...isn't until Tuesday.
So I wouldn't say that quite yet...
I see Airbus getting sued for not building an aircraft that can float. I see IAE getting sued for not having engines capable of supporting injesting a 200lb dog and I see the states of NY and NJ named for not having marine terminals operational.
Being grateful for life only lasts so long...
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They should sue Canada... a squadron of their geese flew into restricted airspace and did not file a flight plan.....Or maybe U.S. Air should give every passenger a Duck Dinner....think how one of those broken engines could be made into a roitissory with little effort! :borat: Just think, they would get a first class meal yet only paid for coach.
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Perhaps even a free goose hunt in Ontario?? :lol:
All jokes aside though, I really hope nobody sues. I mean, I know that's like asking lead to float (no pun intended), but they all did live! I agree with whoever it was who said that if any money is gained from legal action against either U.S. Airways or Airbus, it should all be put into a college fund for the crew's families. I mean...c'mon...they did kind of earn it on this one!
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I think the TSA/Customs should be to blame for this incident.. Everyone is saying Canadian geese... but did anyone think to check their passports??
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Listening to EWR Tower with the conditions getting fun outside. Found it twistedly amusing that today he's making a point to emphasize every bird report a bit more urgently than the previous norm. COA505 asked if they were Canadian Geese. No response from the tower... :D
Also for the techies, I pulled this info about 1549/N106US's engines off the U.S. Airways site...
Engines: CFM56-5B4/P
Engine 1 (left)
Installation date: Jan. 15, 2008
Total flight hours: 19,182.10
Engine 2 (right)
Installation date: May 28, 2006
Total flight hours: 26,466.08
So...if this is correct. The left engine, the one that broke away, was installed one year to the day of the crash. Kinda freaky coincidence.
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Originally Posted by Planesntrains
Listening to EWR Tower with the conditions getting fun outside. Found it twistedly amusing that today he's making a point to emphasize every bird report a bit more urgently than the previous norm. COA505 asked if they were Canadian Geese. No response from the tower... :D
Also for the techies, I pulled this info about 1549/N106US's engines off the U.S. Airways site...
Engines: CFM56-5B4/P
Engine 1 (left)
Installation date: Jan. 15, 2008
Total flight hours: 19,182.10
Engine 2 (right)
Installation date: May 28, 2006
Total flight hours: 26,466.08
So...if this is correct. The left engine, the one that broke away, was installed one year to the day of the crash. Kinda freaky coincidence.
So it's still under warranty?
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Originally Posted by h2opunk1822
I think the TSA/Customs should be to blame for this incident.. Everyone is saying Canadian geese... but did anyone think to check their passports??
Hey, Hey, they went on all the proper papers... :shock:
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So what are they going to call LGA's third Runway?
Hudson Right?
