2014 Jones Beach Airshow

I think they overstate the cost, $4k/hr seems awfully high. Cruising speed consumes 50Gal/hr in fuel, so let's say that's $400. I'm sure the insurance is expensive, but that is a cost whether the plane is flying or parked in the hangar... in fact, more flight time would make the cost/hr lower. I don't know how they calculate that into the flight cost. Let's say insurance is $100k/yr., that works out to roughly $1900/wk. If we say the plane flys 200hrs per year (4hrs/wk on average) that add's $475/hr for insurance.
So that means it's $3,100+/hr., just in maintenance costs? Just doesn't seem right to me, especially since all of the work is done by volunteers. Sounds like the 'timesheet' effect:
You're hired to work 40 hours /week. You have to attribute all your hours to some project, even when there's nothing to do. Sounds like the aircraft maintenance engineers do the same thing... plane is costing money even when it's sitting on the ground static.

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Originally Posted by Billbo1970

Cruising speed consumes 50Gal/hr in fuel, so let's say that's $400..

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Per engine - 200 gallons per hour total (See the chart on this page: http://www.azcaf.org/pages/aircraft_...G_FlyFort.html) That's $1,600 by your math.

From http://www.johnweeks.com/b17active/

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A B-17 will easily burn 200 gallons of fuel per hour, plus about 10 gallons of oil per hour. Consumables and wear items cost an estimated $3,000 per flight hour. For each hour a Flying Fortress spends in the air, ten are spent on the ground in maintenance. An engine overhaul can cost $40,000, and FAA required wing-spar inspections and repairs will cost each Flying Fortress in excess of $100,000.

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Yes, some of the work is done by volunteers - but much of it, especially the larger work, has to be performed by licensed mechanics, often at a maintenance/repair shop, that needs to be paid for. Never mind the cost of replacement parts - when you can find them.

Yankee Lady has flown in the show in years past, wonder why this year the show is unable to afford it this year?

Bethpage FCU gives the warbirds a slot in the airshow and a certain amount of funding. It is up to the AAM to secure special guests such as Yankee Lady and Quicksilver. This of course adds a lot of money to the operating costs for the AAM but doesn't necessarily mean increased funding for the warbirds from the airshow.

Whether or not Yankee Lady or Quicksilver will fly in the show depends on whether they can secure sponsorship dollars, donations, and/or increased funding from the airshow. If they do not fly, still expect the local warbirds to participate in the airshow.

Is that # accurate? Are there really 10hrs of maintenance/hr of flight?! Let's assume $1000 of fuel per hr (and that's on the very high side @ $5/gal), and $400 of oil per hour (again, HIGH estimate of $40/gal) so there are additional costs of $2600/flight hr? Wouldn't MORE flight time reduce the /hr costs of the other factors in the equation?

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Originally Posted by moose135

You do know he is a member of the unit that would be providing those assets, right? And that they have participated in every JB show that I can remember? This isn't some guy who heard from his brother's girlfriends' cousin that there might be an F-35 at the show or something.

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Thanks Moose. 👍👍

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Originally Posted by Billbo1970

Is that # accurate? Are there really 10hrs of maintenance/hr of flight?! Let's assume $1000 of fuel per hr (and that's on the very high side @ $5/gal), and $400 of oil per hour (again, HIGH estimate of $40/gal) so there are additional costs of $2600/flight hr? Wouldn't MORE flight time reduce the /hr costs of the other factors in the equation?

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Actually Sheltair's price/gal of 100LL today per Air Nav is $7.94/gal. so Moose's fuel number is just about accurate.

There are also things like insurance, paying rent on the hangar, and a reserve for large mx projects like an engine or prop overhaul.

This is looking awesome, I will try to get myself up there

Was at Robert Moses filed 2 late this afternoon and was treated to a quick show, couldn't make out what the stunt plane said but it was yellow and blue. Had my camera but didn't get any good shots. Less than a week to go!

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Originally Posted by dekdawg21

Was at Robert Moses filed 2 late this afternoon and was treated to a quick show, couldn't make out what the stunt plane said but it was yellow and blue. Had my camera but didn't get any good shots. Less than a week to go!

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FYI - That was David Windmiller practicing for the show next week :cool:

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Originally Posted by fk6065

Blue Angel 7 should be flying down Sunday evening after their show in Rhode Island.

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Still on schedule? And i guess they will depart Wed morning for the Annapolis show?

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Originally Posted by Chris S

FYI - That was David Windmiller practicing for the show next week :cool:

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Thanks, I thought it was him but wasn't completely sure!

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Originally Posted by Gerard

Still on schedule? And i guess they will depart Wed morning for the Annapolis show?

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Doesn't look like he will be here today. As you mentioned there is a show at the USNA so he will probably be arriving later.

Edit: And yes that was Windmiller, he buzzed my house this morning!

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Originally Posted by Fighting_falcon_51

Doesn't look like he will be here today. As you mentioned there is a show at the USNA so he will probably be arriving later.

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Thanks for the update!! Once again you are doing a great job keeping everyone in the loop!! BTW, weather permitting, Practice Show on Friday?

Thanks Gerard!!

Based off of the TFR issued and the USCG, there should be a practice show.

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Originally Posted by Fighting_falcon_51

Based off of the TFR issued and the USCG, there should be a practice show.

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Nice thanks. They were putting in the arresting cables this afternoon on 14/32. Finished around 4:15. SkyTypers came in (from Rhode Island?). They flew overhead north to south out to the shoreline to drop from 5000 feet then back to overfly Runway 1 as a Flight of 6 then left break to land!! A mini taste of things to come!! :cool:

Even in years past BA # 7 has flown in on Sunday night and then back out for the USN Graduation.

But it this year graduation is a Wednesday.

Also BA # 5 suffered an electrical issue at RI today and couldn't fly the demo. They shut her down and used the 7 plane.

The 5 plane was up after the show for tests.

How ow this all affects arrivals???? I don't know.

That stinks about BA #5, I hope everything works out.

This year they are actually doing a show at the USNA which I believe they haven't done before.

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Originally Posted by Gerard

Nice thanks. They were putting in the arresting cables this afternoon on 14/32. Finished around 4:15. SkyTypers came in (from Rhode Island?). They flew overhead north to south out to the shoreline to drop from 5000 feet then back to overfly Runway 1 as a Flight of 6 then left break to land!! A mini taste of things to come!! :cool:

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Yes, airshow is starting to kick into high gear.

Team Oracle also arrived today.

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Originally Posted by Fighting_falcon_51

This year they are actually doing a show at the USNA which I believe they haven't done before.

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Ahh yes I was thinking FlyOver!! Where will they fly out of for that and maybe come to FRG after that on Wed? Questions, questions!! :confused:

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Originally Posted by Gerard

Ahh yes I was thinking FlyOver!! Where will they fly out of for that and maybe come to FRG after that on Wed? Questions, questions!! :confused:

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My guess is Thursday.

It's just a guess though as there is not official word yet.

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Originally Posted by fk6065

Even in years past BA # 7 has flown in on Sunday night and then back out for the USN Graduation.

But it this year graduation is a Wednesday.

Also BA # 5 suffered an electrical issue at RI today and couldn't fly the demo. They shut her down and used the 7 plane.

The 5 plane was up after the show for tests.

How ow this all affects arrivals???? I don't know.

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I just found this through the link on the schedule on the Blue's website- the graduation is still on Friday this year but they are doing a show Wednesday, they will be arriving there Tuesday.
http://www.usna.edu/CommissioningWeek/Schedule/

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Originally Posted by fk6065

Even in years past BA # 7 has flown in on Sunday night and then back out for the USN Graduation.

But it this year graduation is a Wednesday.

Also BA # 5 suffered an electrical issue at RI today and couldn't fly the demo. They shut her down and used the 7 plane.

The 5 plane was up after the show for tests.

How ow this all affects arrivals???? I don't know.

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I wouldn't be too concerned about blue angels number 5. Although the team usually only brings 7 F/A-18s to shows, the Squadron in total has 11 jets. 9 F/A-18C single-seaters and 2 F/A-18D two-seaters. Each D model usually has the number 7 on the back. However sometimes the two-seaters will fly with the squadron.

Look at at 4 and 6:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/41776879@N00/244881145

3 and 4
https://www.flickr.com/photos/msc_pics/4119602331

7 and 7
http://www.warbird-photos.com/airsho...ngels_6333.jpg

Any word on where the Osprey will be based out of for the show?

I was told probably JFK

Blue Angels team set to arrive between 9-10am on Thursday, May 22nd.

Subject to change.

Thanks for the info FF!

Accuweather is predicting a 61% chance of thunderstorms for Thursday. No specific times listed, and obviously this could change: http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/eas.../2102389?day=4

Would a storm delay them from flying in?

On the brighter side, Sat-Mon are predicted to be beautiful!

Inclement weather could delay their arrival but I wouldn't be too worried yet.

The last two times the Blue Angels appeared at Jones Beach it rained on the day, Thursday, that they arrived at Republic.

If these are just the typical spring/summer pop-up storms, they will usually arrive in the afternoon once the air heats up.
If it was an organized system, the storms could appear any time.

At this time, I'm not worried.

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Originally Posted by puckstopper55

Any word on where the Osprey will be based out of for the show?

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Is this a different Osprey than the ones that they use for the Fleet week demos?

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Originally Posted by fk6065

The last two times the Blue Angels appeared at Jones Beach it rained on the day, Thursday, that they arrived at Republic.

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Yup I remember I was there for one of the arrivals. Nasty day and the Angels popped out of the clouds on final for Runway One Four!!

AAM B-25 Miss Hap was buzzing around tonite around 7PM. That sound of a big metal warbird brought me out of my house to catch her a few times!!

John Klatt's Air National Guard Extra 300 and MX-S aircraft and his new Jack Link's Extra 300 are in the Sheltair Hangar
and his wild looking Jack Link's 18 wheeler hauling the Screamin' Sasquatch Jet Waco has arrived also and is parked on the
southside of Sheltair inside the fence by the gas tanks. Here's a pic of the Screamin' Sasquatch hauler from his FB page :cool:

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...22759132_n.jpg

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Originally Posted by Gerard

AAM B-25 Miss Hap was buzzing around tonite around 7PM. That sound of a big metal warbird brought me out of my house to catch her a few times!!

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I heard her, but it is too wooded here, and I couldn't catch a glimpse! :(

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Originally Posted by Gerard

Is this a different Osprey than the ones that they use for the Fleet week demos?

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I have no clue

Falcon, as Thursday approaches, will that arrival estimate become more firm?

Angel #7 should be here tomorrow (5/21) in the afternoon.

#1-6 are still scheduled to be here on 5/22 between 9 and 10.