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Thanks Moose,Quote:
Originally Posted by moose135
That looks like the plane, however, I could have sworn that I saw 4 engines, I am probably wrong though. Depending upon what the planes do after take off, the standard flight path is about 4 houses north of mine this one was even further north so I saw the plane on a sideview angle instead of almost overhead. The Gieco skytypers almost always fly directly overhead before making a wide turn to the South.
Kenny and I were at the 56th having a very nice lunch at around 2pm-2:30 Ken and I hear some BIG ROUND MOTORS an I hear Ken say "THATS THE B-24". Miss Hap departed and Ken beat me to the punch. Seconds later Ken Calls out when we hear another cool round motor... "SKYTYPER is airbore".
2 out of 2 Ken! Great time and thank you for lunch! :borat:
Did I read correctly- the Harriers will be at Republic??
Ken
Haha, it was my pleasure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derf
Umm... if you go back up to to my previous post I think I said...Quote:
Originally Posted by gettysburgerrn
As I always say, during airshow... the best plans will change and all times will be wrong, but they know what will need fuel, where aircraft will be parked, and who will be on the ramp at midnight taking pictures....the rest is...well, Up in the air!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Derf
All aircraft will be by Shelt Air except the C-17, that will be by the terminal.
Ken, The pleasure was all mine! :) Did you Aunt get her car back yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fighting_falcon_51
Ken, The pleasure was all mine! :) Did you Aunt get her car back yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fighting_falcon_51
Yup, she got it back with a Nycaviation stickers intact :borat: :borat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Derf
FYI - I received some BAD news today from Ted Plana, the Director of the Coney Island Air Show.
Unfortunately he confirmed that the show has been CANCELED for Aug. 28th & 29th. :cry:
It's too bad because I know Dusty was looking forward to bringing the A-10 back "home" again
to Republic Airport for the show, and I was also looking forward to seeing the Harrier, Hornet
and C-17 based out of FRG that weekend also.
Any reasons for the cancellation?
Ken
isnt it a bit too late to cancel? I mean everything was set and booked. The website makes no mention of this .. hopefully this is a mistake.
Ted didn't give any specific reasons, and only said their there was moreQuote:
Originally Posted by gettysburgerrn
to this story than people will ever know, but also added that he thought
the show would happen at Coney Island someday !!
This unfortunate news was also confirmed by the ACC, and I see they've already
taken Coney Island off their official list for the A-10 East Demo team and
I'm sure the Tbirds will be updating the schedule on their website soon also.
BTW, Here's the link for latest official ACC schedule updated on July 27th:
http://www.acc.af.mil/aerialevents/demoteamschedule.asp
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Originally Posted by Chris S
I really think the public deserves to know what happened. Was it lack of sponsors, politics, or what? This is really not a good situation.
Even though the show is canceled I have some good news from the AAM's website
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Flight of Aces is Spitin’ history September 4th through the 6th
This award winning Labor Day weekend program is sponsored by Stop & Shop Supermarkets and remains a powerful tribute to those who have defended our nation. With visiting World War II aircraft from Warbirds over Long Island and a legendary Spitfire from the Duffy Collection visiting the region for the first time, this will truly be a Fighter flight line for the history books as the American Airpower Museum pays tribute to the 70th anniversary of the Battle of Britain.
I honestly believe that JFK and LGA didn't want this show to happen, especially considering the headaches both airports would have to deal with in regards to the airshow TFR and routing aircraft around it...
Why not just move it 20 miles east to Jones beach and call it a day? I am sure the parks would love the additional revenue, as well as already knowing what to expect!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Holzinger
I have to think something else, other then airport concerns were the reason this was killed.
Dude...let it go. We all love airshows here, and are all disappointed, but they do not owe us anything. They made the announcement, it's well in advance of the show dates, so anyone who may have booked a hotel, airline, or car reservations can cancel them without penalty. Does it suck, yes, do they owe us anything more? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by puckstopper55
I didnt say they OWE us anything, but an explanation would be nice. Also, I am sure the T-Birds and ACC planes would rather be else where performing, rather then doing nothing this weekend now.Quote:
Originally Posted by lijk604
To get a commitment from the T-Birds takes a lot of work, so all I am really saying is that something major must have happened, and I would like to know what it is. Thats all.
wow, that sucks!
Uh YES!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Derf
Does that mean the whole "Air Force Week" in NYC is cancelled? It was scheduled for Aug 24-29th.
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Originally Posted by puckstopper55
The writing has been on the wall for months. Chris has been trying to get info about the show since April (if not earlier) and nothing was available, ever.
I don't know how many shows you've been to, but you can't just "move it 20 miles to the east & call it a day", especially in the busiest airspace in the world.
Maybe it will happen someday but the Logistics at Coney Island, especially with the Belt parkway construction are horrible. The chances of successfully pulling it off are very slim. It would have been very cool for those of us who venture to FRG to see t xhe aircraft launch & recover but I'm just not sure how the actual show at the beach would have been.
If you're looking to hit up a show that week, you can take the drive to Westfield & see the T-Birds on 8/21 & 8/22, Take the ride to Atlantic City & see one of the best, if not the best shows in the country on 8/25, or take the ride up to Portsmouth on 8/28 & 8/29 to see the Blues with another amazing supporting lineup. Hell, the travel time to Atlantic City will probably be the same as trying to navigate the Belt into and out of Coney Island anyway.
It's still going to be an AMAZING Airshow week!
Very true and probably a big reason why the show was cancelled.Quote:
Hell, the travel time to Atlantic City will probably be the same as trying to navigate the Belt into and out of Coney Island anyway.
NYC beaches do not charge admission, and are normally packed. Combine that with all the people that would try and come down for the airshow and it would be a traffic nightmare affecting Coney Island, the Belt Parkway and the Verrazano Bridge. What did Jones Beach draw on Sunday 200,000 roughly (I forget the exact #)
Then factor in air space problems & restrictions with Kennedy and LaGuardia and I am sure Newark to some degree, added security from the NYPD and all the overtime they would have to pay, plus the parks department and sanitation. I am sure the City said no to spending the $$ since it would not generate any real income for the City.
Atlantic City is always a great show, take the ride if you are off.
All good points. I was there yesterday for a Cyclones game and it was a beautiful day and traffic was bad. And the beach isnt as big as Jones is so the squeeze in factor would be in effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by fk6065
Also you have lots of tall apt buildings close to the beach. The noise generated by the high performance aircraft would
surely shake, rattle and roll the residents.
Then why not look to have it at Jones Beach to start with?
Because they always had a show in May and it would be near impossible to get a 2nd set of sponsors for this show.
No. As far as I know and from what I've heard there is till an Air Force Week in August that will include several flyovers and events all over the city...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerard
Not that I have any "inside" information, but something doesn't add up. I don't buy that the show was canceled due to airspace congestion, or costs to the city, or traffic on the Belt Parkway. We've been talking about the show in this thread since February, the planning for it has been going on for months, maybe a year - the Thunderbirds included the show on their schedule that was announced in December. I would have thought that the airspace guys would have raised their concerns earlier than one month out, maybe when the Thunderbirds advance team visited JFK back in February. And I imagine the organizers would have needed to get various permits from the city long before now.
I came across something that may be a reason, especially given the timing of the decision - in the Thunderbird support manual I linked to on the first page of this thread, it says that for a civilian air show, a $6,000 fee is required to help offset the expenses involved, and the fee is required 30 days prior to the show. I wonder if some sponsors backed out, or never materialized, and the organizers found themselves coming up short, and decided to pull the plug?
quote "I don't know how many shows you've been to, but you can't just "move it 20 miles to the east & call it a day", especially in the busiest airspace in the world."
Well thats not entirely true. Anyone remember the T-Birds at Sunken Meadow Park of all places in October of 2000? In '97 and '98 we had the airshow out at Gabreski in Westhampton. There was no show in '99 that I recall, but it was planned for October of 2000 at Gabreski with the T-Birds as headliners. Previous shows did not have a jet team only A-10 demo IIRC. The birds were booked but for one reason or another the show fell apart and was cancelled. Who was behind it I don't know, possibly someone in LI gov or maybe the parks dept, but they kept the 'Birds booking and moved the display to Sunken Meadow (which is not a big park by Jones Beach standards).
That show was surreal. I went on Sunday. The clouds were rolling in and the 'Birds showed up early, to get the display in before a SNOW SQUALL moved in. That show box took them over some pretty populated areas, and that week in Newsday an article appeared with a lot of people complaining about noise and low flying. My parents were at the edge of the 5 mile ring in East Northport, and people on their block were coming out into the street to watch the F-16's buzz overhead as they repositioned for the next manuever.
So it's not impossible to move this show, or at least parts of it. The main question is who has the will and the cash in this economy.
Pete
FYI- The Thunderbirds have been officially rescheduled now
to be at the Offutt Airshow in NE on Aug. 28th and the 29th !!
Coney's Island's loss is Offutt's gain !!
Here's the Thunderbirds updated schedule on their site:
http://thunderbirds.airforce.com/schedule.html
I work in Coney Island and first posted about the air show and Air Force Week on my Coney Island blog "Amusing the Zillion" as well as on this forum back in December. Over the past few months we'd heard that the air show could not get all of the necessary permits--a complicated situation by all accounts- and wasn't going happen this year. But until the Thurnderbirds took Coney Island off their schedule, we didn't want to believe it! Air Force Week NYC is going on as scheduled and sending people to the Atlantic City Air Show. Events in Coney Island are limited to Air Force nights at the Brooklyn Cyclones and Ringling's Coney Island Circus.
http://www.airforceweek.af.mil/newyo...ug10/index.asp
The reason why the Coney Island Airshow was canceled was because it was going to cost $26,000+ dollars for the Police to be there and there was no money for that. No other reason that that. This is the reason.
Just a reminder that today's scheduled USAF Thunderbirds Air Show over Coney Island was canceled. It has been moved to somewhere over Nebraska instead. It was to honor Air Force Week. The reasons for cancellation have already been discussed elsewhere. At least we have Kid's Day to look forward to.
The website now says "Postponed until 2011". Are they really planning to try again next year, or is this just smoke?
Bill
We'll find out in 2011 I guess. BTW too bad it was cancelled. You couldnt ask for better weather this weekend for an Air Show!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Billbo1970
They are tying to bring it back in 2011
No chance for 2011 show... They can't find sponsors and put air show together for the last 2-3 years ?? I don't believe that Thunderbirds will give Coney Island next chance, there will be no Coney Island on the Tbirds schedule for 2011, BA's posted 2011 already so there is no way that they will show up... so if they couldn't find sponsors etc for air show with Tbirds how come they will put everything together without one of the main jet teams ?? Snowbirds or Red Arrows maybe :)))))
I do not understand what your post means, This year had nothing to do with sponsors...
I can't believe it got cancelled over $26,000.... that's not a lot at all. I chalk the whole fiasco up to very poor planning:
1. Hardly anybody I mentioned it to knew that there was going to be a show at Coney Island.
2. $26,000... really?! You couldn't have tried a fundraiser to scrape up that amount of money?? I'm sure you could have easily gotten 26G from aviation fans & local business' that would benefit from the influx of tourists....
Bill
Interesting that PD doesnt have $26,000 in their budget for the show but they allocate tons of $$$ for parades, demonstrations, baseball playoffs (Yankees NOt Mets LOL), UN Week etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derf
And Bloomberg being very pro-aviation this would have been a no-brainer PLUS it would have been a shot in the arm for CI business.
I think it would be great to try it again next year. The only drawback that I could see if the T-Birds will be at Jones beach a few weeks earlier, so casual (non plane enthusiast) may not be as tempted to see the show again.
I would almost be tempted to say combine the 2 shows and make it 1 super awesome show!