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Now a large section of the tail has been found - it looks like we are getting a little closer to knowing what might have happened...
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Now a large section of the tail has been found - it looks like we are getting a little closer to knowing what might have happened...
The tail looks like it snapped off pretty clean vs. being damaged upon impacting the water.
Reminds me of the photos the tail from AA587...Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Bird76
The first line of the ACARS warnings jumped out at me when I first saw it, and seeing the tail reinforces this. I haven't seen this explored anywhere else, have you guys?
I'm pretty positive that means FLIGHT CONTROL RUDDER TRAVEL LIMIT FAULT.Quote:
F/CTL RUD TRV LIMIT FAULT
The rudder moving too far would be the same thing that led to the demise of AA 587.
Given the wx conditions that are being considered, I personally feel that in being tossed about, that jet also lost its rudder.
RIP
The computer on the A330 doesn't allow movement like that on the A300. Remember the A300 isn't fly by wire. Even when the A330 switched to alternate law the computer still wouldn't allow rudder movement like AA587. It is very interesting however why the break is so clean....
Supposedly, but the ACARS fault message would seem to indicate that it did travel too far for one reason or another, whether it was input from the crew or the result of high wind.Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Bird76
Looking at that picture, the 1st thought was AA587's tail. If true, that ECAM message might be a big clue. Most yaw dampers dont have the control authority to move the rudder more than a few degrees either way.
If the systems on the A330 are degraded to direct law, would that rudder limit protection still be there?
Just to throw something out there, has anyone thought of an uncommanded rudder movement leadint to the separation if the entire fin and loss of control?
at first no, but it's starting to make sense. could an electrical short have caused uncommanded rudder movements?Quote:
Originally Posted by DHG750R
Direct law would cause the plane to do whatever the pilots wanted it to do, so no there would be no protection from that kind of rudder movement. I don't recall that the ARCAS messages indicated that plane went to Direct law.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHG750R
Not just us anymore...CBS News is now reporting that it appears the tail was indeed sheared off by aerodynamic forces, and even compared it to the tail of AA587.
Two great articles...
Airline pilot/Salon.com columnist Patrick Smith describes his experiences flying through the ITCZ.
:arrow: Flight 447's perfect storm
Information Week examines the philosophy gap between Boeing's manually operated flight controls vs. Airbus's computer-reliant systems
:arrow: Computers Key To Air France Crash
You can't compare the two so the min CBS did that they lost any creditability. BTW what does "aerodynamic forces" mean? For some reason it sounds like CBS is trying to use words they don't understand. Does that mean the tail came off while the plane was in stable flight because of the weather or did it come off as the plane dived into the ocean?Quote:
Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
True.
France is now claiming two people sharing names with radical Muslims were on board. Hmm.
Could be legit. But they very likely knew this within hours of the crash, why announce it now?
For a few days after the crash, the weather was the leading culprit, but for the past week, nearly every new theory involves at least some negligence on the part of Air France and/or Airbus, which is, of course, based in France. Furthermore, the Paris Air Show takes place next week, traditionally an event where Airbus receives a large portion of their annual orders. This year they'll be lucky to earn any orders due to the economy, and this "tail fell off" stuff doesn't help their image.
In the very early hours following the plane's dissapearance, I had heard there was absolutely no chance of this being terrorism. I found that to be a bit premature considering we had no definitive evidence of anything at all .
I found this on bloomberg.com
Reading a lot of the press makes me think it almost seems as if Brasil is being quick to insist something like terroism couldnt be the cause, but it also highlights how officials are very quick to put ideas and guessees out there to a press who are hungry for a new angle on this accident.Quote:
The “black box” recorders from Flight 447, from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, may be lying at the bottom of the ocean, Brazilian Defense Minister Nelson Jobim said yesterday in Brasilia. He has ruled out terrorism as the cause.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... er=germany
read this for example.
DarrellQuote:
Brazil, France Dispute Whether Debris Is From Air France Crash
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By John Hughes, Heloiza Canassa and Joshua Goodman
June 6 (Bloomberg) -- Brazilian and French officials disagreed about whether debris in the Atlantic is from the Air France jet that crashed with 228 people on board, as planes and ships from both countries intensified the search.
Jose Ramos, a spokesman for Brazil’s Defense Ministry, said yesterday there is “no doubt” items spotted by the Brazilian air force are from the Airbus A330-200 that went missing this week on a flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris. French officials said the country’s planes have been searching in the wrong area because no debris from the Air France flight has been found.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... in_america
Brazilian newspaper reporting that investigators now believe the plane broke up in the air. Of the first 16 victims examined, they were either naked or wearing minimal clothing, which would suggest their clothes were blown off by high wind. Bodies were found 53 miles apart, which could also be indication of a breakup. Furthermore, their lungs did not contain water, which indicates they died from impact and not drowning. Lack of burns means it is unlikely there was a bomb or explosion involved.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... _IAXADNn1c
French media reports a weak signal from the black boxes has been detected, sending mini subs to the area to search.
so they still have time to find the black boxes