Thanks Moose!
Not quite what I would expect someone called Brooke to look like, but not bad!
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Thanks Moose!
Not quite what I would expect someone called Brooke to look like, but not bad!
Well I took the last tour with my son and the other doctor who toured with Orbis in China.
The Port authority guys were just complete tools and IMHO scared the bejesus out of hte Orbis folks.
I took a few underarm shots of the bird but nothing spectacular.
The bird is going to be in LGA for the week. Next stop is Syria.
It'd be a perfect success if it were not for the oppressive camera regulations.
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I'm surprised the were PANYNJ people even there. Every time I went by it was just Aviation Safeguards who were told no wandering. There are no oppressive camera regulations. I even told them there were going to be camera enthusiasts who would show up and you know what you can and cannot do better than most of the PANYNJ people.Quote:
Originally Posted by mirrodie
Understand though they were set up for a lot of tours and Orbis' focus was to show the inside of the plane to as many people as possible.
It clearly wasn't the ORBIS folks who kept us from shooting. Our guide was quite specific - Port told them absolutely no photos out on the ramp - not of their aircraft, not of other aircraft, nothing. She even warned us not to get close to a window and shoot outside, as Port would get on them for that. They wanted to bring a news crew out to film the aircraft, to get some additional publicity, and again, Port told them no. They were allowed one "volunteer photographer" per day, who could shoot inside the aircraft only, to provide them with images of the event. As several of us have said, she was extremely accommodating to us, letting us shoot anything we wanted inside, even taking us through the aircraft in the reverse direction of the main group so we could shoot without dodging the crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by emshighway
It was made clear to us that Port was the reason behind the photo restrictions. And no, it wasn't because of Wednesday's incident - I had been told a week prior when I reserved my spot that Port wasn't going allow outside photography.
Which is pretty ridiculous considering Kid's Day takes place on the same ramp.Quote:
Originally Posted by moose135
Like others, I enjoyed the tour very much and had plenty of opportunities to photograph onboard the aircraft. The only damper was the unnecessary security surrounding the whole thing.
The plane will be replaced in two years by an MD-10, not an MD-11 as previously stated.
It was great to get a tour of this amazing aircraft, something which I never would have imagined doing. Thanks to EmsHighway and and Tommy for informing about the plane and tours. I really never thought I would see a DC-10 at LGA. The Orbis people were super friendly and let me photograph everything, but the Port yelled every time someone pulled out a camera. I wonder why they were so strict when we could take all the photos we wanted during Kids Day at the same location?
The Orbis crew told me their replacement aircraft will be a MD-10-30, which will be more fuel efficient and have a more modern cockpit then their current aircraft. The plane will stay at LGA until Wednesday, then it will leave for Syria.
Some shots:
The plan for their next aircraft. They said they will fit it with all the modern technology, such as much more compact water filtration systems that will allow for a lot more usable space.
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the classroom:
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Audio/ Visual room. They have cameras positioned all over the aircraft.
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It didn't come from us and I hadn't heard the PANYNJ say anything like this. No reason for it. The Airport Manager was very accommodating. Must have been PAPD.Quote:
Originally Posted by moose135
The real shame about no cameras was Port's short sightedness when it came to a camera crew. NYC is the biggest media market in the world and this would have been great coverage for their cause. Port and LGA's airport manager Warren Koeppel really should have stepped up and allowed the press in. Shame on Port and LGA management.
Actually in speaking with some of the reps, the Orbis aircraft is the flagship for the entire program. Realize that much of the surgery provided is also in local area hospitals where they are flying. But the aircraft itself is the most visible advertising. If you look at the interior shots, all you are seeing is a hospital without realizing its on a plane. So in some sense its a failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by emshighway
Yep, I had that same thought. One of the aviation d-bags said there was no photos allowed on airport property, at which point I was going to ask then about kids day, but I didnt want to make him look like a complete ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iberia A340-600
At kids day, there is no PR and its a field day. But here, where Orbis needs and wants to get the word out, they were all about no photos. And let it be said again, the Orbis people were scared by it. At kids Day, all you need is one high school sprinter with an idea and he can bolt across the runway.
Toward the end of the tour, I was standing in the doorway of the plane, one foot on the airstairs and one foot inside the aircraft. The sun was peaking and I was working a shot of the rudder looking skyward. I was technically half inside the plane and the Orbis folks were freaking. Not because they cared but b/c they were under scrutiny by the PA.
On the way back, the bus was full of Orbis folks who came back with us as this was the last tour. Most of them were 20-30 somethings. We were chatting and they were all pissed that no pics could be taken from the outside.
Sad really.
A total shame. Someone should alert them to this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Bird76
BTW, I doubt I'll be posting an pics, but does anyone have any questions about the equipment that you've taken photos of?
A thread about the Orbis plane is shallow until you get into the real PURPOSE of the planes very existence.
Someone emailed me a question about the plane and its purpose, such as how most blindness is preventable, and what are the biggest causes of blindness. Also, no surgery is done in flight. That would be a COMPLETE DISASTER!
The Orbis plane is here for a reason and that is AWARENESS. The PA at LGA failed in their part of meeting that goal.
I would love to help with any questions.
i don't think it's a failure. you need a sterile environment for any surgery. the fact that they can take that hospital to any place on the planet is a massive sucess.Quote:
Originally Posted by mirrodie
Sure it is.
Its a PR failure in some regards.
Tell me this Matt:
-Why this crazy crackdown on no photos outside the plane? The plane is a symbol of what the company does and LGA quashed the symbol. The Orbis a/c is analagous to Nike's Swoosh. Covering Nike's swoosh at a PR event is ridiculous.
-Why the crazy crackdown when Kids Day is a photo haven?
It does not seem to make any sense whatsoever. No justification.
I want to make one thing perfectly clear, There must have been a reason as everyone knows what goes on there during kids day and how nice they are to us. If there was something going on that they were looking out for, they would not want to tell us for good reason. I was upset as many of you are too, but after thinking about it for some time....there would be a reason. I also was told the First lady was around that time, and I can not even imagine what I do not know.
Seriously.... you want to know when your not in the know, and when you are in the know, you do not want others to know or find out and understand why.
One of those cases where we will not know and should be happy....I HOPE never to hear why. They were crazy about security, I do not think it was just typical Post 9/11....do you?
Wow, that sounds cryptic.... I seriously do not know what was up, but it was NOT NORMAL :!:
I believe she left on Wednesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derf
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Originally Posted by Derf
what was? my post or yours? :wink:
My post...when re-reading it, it sounded like doubletalkQuote:
Originally Posted by mirrodie
Well, cryptic is also the security gestapo this weekend!
well i don't know who made the decision as to not allowing photography, so i really can't speak to that. i don't agree with the rule either but arguing about it now isn't going to help matters. it surely impeded what ORBIS wanted to do though.Quote:
Originally Posted by mirrodie
it could be because they don't want folks roaming wildly around the ramp area. was there any security out there around the airplane? don't forget that while the airplane was parked there the ramp and taxiway DD were still active. while standing in the parking lot i saw several a/c taxi past the airplane on thier way to 13. that ramp is also used for transient GA a/c parking. i doubt the PA wanted to shut down the ramp and DD just to facilitate ORBIS' tours.
as far as kids day goes, that is an event that is meant to be a family-oriented gathering. the entire ramp is devoted to kids running around and the area is literally saturated with PA employees that can aid in keeping an eye on the rugrats and making sure they don't walk all over the place. also, taxiway DD is shut down to a/c traffic.
He probably didn't know someone was restricting this otherwise he would have stepped in. Like I said it was probably PAPD. They think they answer to no one.Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Bird76
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Originally Posted by cancidas
Matt, I'm not arguing at all. But perhaps I misunderstood you altogether. You don't think their PR was a failure but yet you feel it surely impeded that ORBIS wanted to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by cancidas
I think we're saying the same thing.
EMS, I think you are right. In a sense, it seems there was as dis-connect between the person who calls the shots and the enforcers.
C'est la vie.
I'm a little puzzled that there was no local news coverage of their visit. In that sense it was a failure, not sure whose though.Quote:
Originally Posted by mirrodie
we may just be, and i rather focus on the fact that what ORBIS is doing is having a much more positive impact than thier backwards PR experience at LGA.Quote:
Originally Posted by mirrodie
Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but ...Quote:
T-Bird76 wrote:
The real shame about no cameras was Port's short sightedness when it came to a camera crew. NYC is the biggest media market in the world and this would have been great coverage for their cause. Port and LGA's airport manager Warren Koeppel really should have stepped up and allowed the press in. Shame on Port and LGA management.
As we were sitting on the bus waiting to return to the terminal after the tour we observed two men and a young woman walking around the plane. Then the next thing I know she's sitting in the engine intake and one of the men is taking her picture. I maybe wrong, but I believe someone said the one gentleman was one of the airport managers. Well, I guess they do have their privileges. LOL
Art
You remembered that correctly, Art.
So if showed them my boobs, I might have been able to get an outside shot?
sorry but i could not resist
I have not been at work for two days and was out of the NYC area all day today so does anyone know if the 10 departed? or is still their?
Thanks
LGA777
Be lucky you got to go on the tour at all!!!! Stop whining.
Ron,Quote:
Originally Posted by LGA777
I flew out today to DFW and it was still there....hopefully its there till at least Saturday when I get back!
Matt
It departed yesterday ( Thurs ) late afternoon , probably around 4pm Off 13 and a maspeth climb. Not sure where it went, but It was headed to the Northeast , toward MERIT... I couldnt find it on flightawareQuote:
Originally Posted by AA 777
It went to CYYR (Goose Bay, NL, Canada) as "Orbis1"
Senga
Cool, thanks Senga.
Goose bay sounds like a fuel stop..
Darrell
On departure it was quite a modified Maspeth climb as it made a huge climbing right hand turn SE of LGA, it was at approx a 180 heading and when the turn ended I would estimate it was heading around 020-030 NNE and past right overhead the east end of LGA, really pretty turn. In addition to not being viewable on flightaware it was also not viewable on the industry version of passur we have at work.
Regards
LGA777
It's next stop I believe is the Middle East.
That is correct. Its going to Syria then 2 weeks later to Kenya.
Senga
I'm guessing they needed a fuel stop because they couldn't take off from LGA safely with the tanks topped off?
Yeah, he must have been light going out - he took off real early.Quote:
Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
While that is correct Gotham that aircraft is a DC-10-10 which was the domestic version of the DC-10, and while that exact same aircraft used to fly nonstop JFK-LGW during it's years with Laker, that was really pushing the range of the aircraft, and it could not make NYC to most of Europe, let alone the Middle East. I would imagine their was even a second fuel stop somewhere in Europe after Goose Bay.Quote:
Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
I remember back when AA flew the DC-10-10 LGA-DFW they where often weight restricted with reduced payloads not because of LGA's short runways but because of a weight restriction on the Piers, or decks that extend out over the water on the last 2000 feet of 4-22 and 1000 feet on 13-31.
Regards
LGA777