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Hopefully we at the 106th RQW can give you a proper SAR demo.
Wow, I just finally went to the website to check out who will be performing this year... and then came straight here! What the heck, this is the weakest one yet, very disappointing. Got VERY spoiled that year they had the A-10, B-1B, F-22, F-18 etc etc. Must've been 5 or 6 years ago now? What a show that was!
Wow less than a month to go....very quiet board....
Ken
Yeah... and looking like a quiet show minus the Thunderbirds.Quote:
Originally Posted by gettysburgerrn
Hence the quiet board? LOL I think if we're being honest... we're all a bit disappointed at this years turnout...Quote:
Originally Posted by gettysburgernWow less than a month to go....very quiet board....
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Originally Posted by dekdawg21
Yeah Bill, you're right!
Hate to say it but looks like I'm just doing Friday at the beach this year. Aside from the warbirds not much else going on at Republic sadly. Will be cool to see the Dauntless.
Shame I can't make the show at Stewart in July, that looks to be an awesome lineup!
I agree!! Not sure how they are going to fill up 4 hours or so, Lots a dead air, so to speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by dekdawg21
Updated performer list;
United States Air Force Thunderbirds
Golden Knights
106th Air National Guard Rescue Wing
American Airpower Museum Warbirds
Bayport Aerodrome Society
David Windmiller
GEICO Skytypers
John Klatt Airshows/Jack Links’ Screamin Sasquatch
Matt Chapman
Sean Tucker
SUNY Farmingdale Aerospace
Warrior Flight Team
It is what it is .................... But it's still an airshow in our own backyard.
Cool, got the Warrior Jet team! That'll add some noise and is something new!Quote:
Originally Posted by fk6065
And agreed that any show is a good show, was just concerned with the time in between
Less then one week away. I wish the Thunderbirds were going be at republic the one year they did come into republic it was real nice. They let us walk up to the planes
I agree....When will the Thunderbirds fly into MacArthur? Do they have anything that is the equivalent of the Blue Angels Meet and Greets (don't know if that's a formal name lol, but when folks <especially the kids> get to meet the pilots) that they do after their demo?
Ken
Last time they were here TB 8 came in Wednesday and the rest Thursday if i remember correctly. And don't think they do any kind of meet and greet or even access to the team/jets at ISPQuote:
Originally Posted by gettysburgerrn
That's why my 11y/o son is a blueangels fan first it's all about the pr. Maybe they read this lol
I think it might be because of the airport and not the teamn but not sure. Blues I find more interactive on social media.
My daughter loves the Blue Angels because of the interactions that she has had with its members, unfortunately she has never had the opportunity to meet any of the Thunderbirds, as said above I think that's more of a testament to the PR...I thought maybe the Thunderbirds would be a bit more accessable this time around as I think one of their members is from Long Island.....
Ken
It was to do with runway length. The USAF wont allow use of FRG because they feel 32/14 is "too short" at FRG for the T-Bird F-16s.
The F16C has a takeoff length of about 1,750 feet and landing distance of 2,650 with an external load. (http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f16/).
32/14 at FRG is 6,833 feet. Longest at ISP? 7,000 feet.
So total difference between FRG and ISP? 200 feet. Hmmmmmm.
Now....200 feet is a lot of valuable space in an emergency, no doubt. But given both runways at FRG and ISP are well beyond whats needed for the F16C for takeoff and landing, the F16 has that big GE F100 engine, the arresting gear would be in place, and 32/14 at FRG has EMAS, the fact they wont use FRG seems weird to me.
What am I missing?
Bummer to hear this unfortunate news on the AAM's FB page about CAF Dixie Wing'sQuote:
Originally Posted by OB1500
P-51 Mustang & SBD Dauntless having to cancel their appearance at the AAM this weekend ...
UPDATE FOR THE Legends of Airpower Weekend 2017 -
UNFORTUNATELY THE COMMEMORATIVE AIR FORCE DIXIE WING HAS NOTIFIED US THAT
THEY HAVE TO CANCEL THEIR APPEARANCE AND RIDE TOUR AT OUR EVENT WITH THEIR
P-51 Mustang and Dixie Wing SBD Dauntless DUE TO WEATHER AND LOGISTICAL ISSUES.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10155210983143400&id=1230 23458399
You made some good points and it definitely has been disappointing that they haven't used FRG since what feels like ages ago. Maybe they don't like that the jets are kept so close to the fence at FRG? ISP definitely offers more seclusion and security if you will. Besides the 200 extra feet at ISP, can't think of any other possible reasoning behind it. Makes you wonder for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by rkfast
Sean Tucker & Team Oracle are at Republic. They were doing a photo mission over NYC this morning.
This is coming from a Blue Angel fan but ..... The last time the Thunderbirds staged at Republic the team members were wonderful! They interacted with the crowds at the fence and were very friendly, true ambassadors of the Air Force and the military just the way the Blue Angels are.
Yes just got back from the airport with the kids orical and jack links are there think I saw the national guard plane too on the 109 side sticking out of a hanger.
Talking to a airport employee he was telling me the reason the thunderbirds won't come into republic is runway length not fod always thought it was fod. The runway is just short of 7000 so the thunderbird xo won't allow them to land there.
Yeah, it's unfortunate the T-Birds won't be using Republic Airport, cause they first used it way back in 1983 for the Coney Island Show when they started flying the F-16, and the last time they used it was back in 2009 for Jones Beach with the temporary arresting cable installed also. So it CAN be used, even if they need a waiver! The T-Birds are missing out on a great USAF recruiting opportunity by not using the much more fan friendlier Republic Airport, especially when the Blue Angels ALWAYS use Republic Airport and have great interaction with all the fans there!
The runway length is an issue, but the last time the Snowbirds were here, they did have a problem with FOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Innes
Yes, they can get a waiver to use a shorter runway, but if there's a problem, would you want your signature on the "approval" line of the waiver form?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris S
That's my point, WHY has the runway length at Republic always been OK for the Blue Angels to use, but now it's NOT OK for the Thunderbirds ???Quote:
Originally Posted by moose135
What do the Thunderbirds use for a support aircraft? Can that aircraft land at Republic? Is that maybe the reason for using MacArthur <which is such a God-awful bummer>
Ken
They use a C-17 (not dedicated; from whichever base has one available at the time). The C-17 can pretty much land on your street, pull into your driveway, then back up and take off again.Quote:
Originally Posted by gettysburgerrn
In all seriousness, if the CO says 7,000', then it's 7,000', so tough luck for Farmingdale. Islip also has a DoD facility on the premises, so that might sway the decision against any waiver, as well.
Yes, the T-Birds usually use a C-17 for their support aircraft, but they also can use 2 C-130s too, like they did this past weekend in OK.
Hey everyone, every year I watch these forums in hopes to see arrival times and practice times. So far we are 2 days out from practice and 3 days from first show and I haven't seen much. Does anyone know when the first thunderbird will be coming to ISP and if there is any spot where we can watch it approach without causing alarm to the airport or suffolk PD?
The last time they were at FRG they used a C-17 it backed down the runway. Does anyone know where they will park at ISPQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris S
Quote:
Originally Posted by fieldywanb
Well, the T-Birds are doing their flyover for the USAFA Graduation today,
so I'm not sure if T-Bird #7 will be arriving at ISP later on today, or tomorrow?
Here's the FAA's TFR for the Jones Beach show starting tomorrow between 4PM - 5PM.
Effective Date(s): From May 25, 2017 at 2000 UTC To May 25, 2017 at 2100 UTC From May 26, 2017 at 1400 UTC To May 26, 2017 at 2100 UTC From May 27, 2017 at 1400 UTC To May 27, 2017 at 2100 UTC From May 28, 2017 at 1600 UTC To May 28, 2017 at 2100 UTC
Here's the link:
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_7_0271.html
Thanks for the info. Although I would usually spend my pre-show Wednesday and Thursday at republic I'm not sure if that makes any sense this year as there won't be too much noise there. I guess I will try to be at the beach tomorrow at 4, but I know the forecast for tomorrow isn't great. I know in years passed if the weather wasn't great on thursday for the main act to go and get their show center aligned, they would go on Friday mornings before the other acts to work it out. Tomorrow afternoons weather calls for off and on showers. Hope we get a little dry weather in for them to come down and fly a little bit.
Well just when we thought this airshow/FRG observers weekend couldn't get any less quiet....The AAM on their FB page says the CAF's Dixie Wing P-51 and SBD will NOT be coming. They say enroute weather is the issue. Also for anyone that booked a ride refunds are available. The B-17 is still attending.
Does anyone know what time the Thunderbirds will be landing at Macarthur tomorrow?
Ken
I live very close to republic, and although my ears hear a lot of noise during airshow week, I heard a louder than average jet about an hour ago, anyone know what it was?
For those of you interested in viewing The Thunderbirds;
Long Island MacArthur Airport (ISP) has been selected as the staging site for the United States Air Force Thunderbirds for the Bethpage Federal Credit Union Air... Show at Jones Beach Memorial Day weekend. We are offering a public viewing Friday, May 26, 2017 from 2pm-6pm.
Anyone interested in attending is asked to park in the Economy Lot at the Airport’s Main Terminal standard parking fees apply, where a shuttle bus will be waiting to transport guests to the viewing area. There is no parking available at the viewing area. If needed, the shuttle buses are handicapped accessible. Unfortunately, due to FAA regulations that govern commercial airports, no guests will be permitted outside of the viewing area or onto the active ramp
Thunderbird 8 arrived at ISP today.
Thanks for the info!Quote:
Originally Posted by fk6065
Anyone know if and when the Thunderbirds will be flying around the beach today? Weather permitting of course...
Ken
So two years ago I drove over to MacArthur and knowing how much a pain in the butt authorities are there I decided I would try to find a spot under the arrival path once I found out what Runway they were using!! Not sure the Runway # but they were coming in from the East and I found a nice locationQuote:
Originally Posted by fieldywanb
on Railroad Avenue, settled in and got pretty good, though quick because of the trees, views of the Tbirds coming in. Also the C-17.That was around 4PM. Later I drove over to the area where they were parking off of Smithtown Avenue and along with a bunch of other people got to see them lined up and saw the C-17 depart. Surprisingly no one bothered us,