The Phil Mocek Incident

Phil, as you state in your video above, you wanted a jury of your peers to see the evidence and find you not guilty for reasons of you believing you were within your rights. If the jury had not found in your favor, how would you have felt? How would you have reacted? Would your life or views have changed as a result? I ask because it sounds from your tone and demeanor that you are genuinely interested in what's right and wrong. I have always shown a great personality trait of right and wrong and a sense of righteousness. I also strongly believe that if I am wrong, I will and would accept it and learn any lessons, pay any burden and move on. I would love to hear your opinion if the decision by the jury had been for the plaintiffs?

Thank you for taking the time to openly discuss this case as well as your beliefs with us. I do not believe we owe you nor you us anything so it is in the interest of free and open discussion that I ask.

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Originally Posted by pmocek

Knowing someone's name (or rather, knowing what name was printed on that card that any college student can purchase to buy beer with), doesn't make him or her any less of a danger. I don't care if it's Osama Bin Laden's ghost sitting next to me if he's not carrying weapons or explosives.

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As much as it may be seen as a simple "hoop" to jump through, given the choice, I'd rather be on a plane full of folks that carry ID with them than one where anyone can get on just holding a ticket(If nothing else, I'm not stuck on a plane full of people who don't feel any accountability to their fellow passengers). You're not getting on a bus- there's a higher standard we should be holding air travel to due to its inherent vulnerability that other forms of transportation don't have- namely, one's inability to escape from the environment should a problem occur, in combination with how problems at 35k can lead to death much more easily and quickly. I'm not saying it's foolproof, we all know it isn't, but it's better than just saying the hell with ID's altogether.

Again, I think what you went through regarding the filming piece was pretty ridiculous, but carrying ID is an accepted practice pretty much everywhere you go except for something like the Burning Man festival where I think it's actually frowned upon! But I fail to see how carrying ID forfeits any liberties that my father bombed the Nazis to protect.

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Originally Posted by gonzalu

. No ID required for me to drive a huge U-Haul truck to Manhattan from Albany and right through Times Square, Wall Street and The Village ...

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But dont you need ID (Drivers license) to rent that U-Haul and you need to have that license with you while driving.
And not sure if I missed this but Mr. Mocek do you carry an ID with you? Do you have a drivers license?

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Originally Posted by Gerard

But dont you need ID (Drivers license) to rent that U-Haul and you need to have that license with you while driving.
And not sure if I missed this but Mr. Mocek do you carry an ID with you? Do you have a drivers license?

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Gerard, no, not at all... ANYONE could rent it, and I do not need a license to drive it there... Actually, I was not tested ONCE! If I confused you, my meanign is that whoever rents it does not have to be the one driving it and certainly you do not need the ID to drive it. IF you get pulled over and you do not have a license is a different story but I certainly don;t need it to get in the truck and drive it. When was the last time you showed your ID t o anyone to do anything? Do you ever show ID to drive from NY to LA? It may be assumed but that does not mean you needed it to actually do it. Just think about it...

BTW, I am only making an argument... I for one have ID, carry it and show it readily ... that's me. But, if I do not HAVE to it is nice to know.

William, does the screening process itself do nothing for your feeling of safety? Is it simply ID? So you;re saying that you do NOT trust TSA and the security checkpoints UNLESS it is accompanied by an ID check? Do you actually think the ID is checked against ANY database upon your passing through security? My actual identification, my real identification has NEVER been checked. I mean, they look at my driver's license, then at the ticket, and I move on... there is no computer, no list, nada.

I am shocked I am ever allowed though security... my passport picture looks nothing like me now. I rather the screening process and actual X-Rays, Bodyscans, etc. as as good as possible to make sure NOTHING that could be used as a weapon or explo s ive can get through! THAT is far more important. If the person next to me is John Doe but he is well screened, I am much more comfortable than if I knew him to be Joe Plumber but he just walked from the curb to the seat un checked!

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Originally Posted by gonzalu

When was the last time you showed your ID to anyone to do anything?

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The last time I flew. LOL!! When I got my boarding pass when I checked in my luggage. Then when I rented my car in Phoenix. And some
stores have started asking to see your license when you use a credit card. And last summer when I went to buy a beer at Yankee Stadium. They
check EVERYONES ID. If I didnt I dont get service. Of course I readily complied in ALL instances. Especially with the beer. :smile:
Like you said I carry it wherever I go and have no issue showing it.

But you DON'T use it or show it to a neighbor when getting into your daily missile, correct? What about when you go into the supermarket? Your house?

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Originally Posted by gonzalu

But you DON'T use it or show it to a neighbor when getting into your daily missile, correct?

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Uh HUH? :confused:

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I think the screening process is only one component of an effective safety program. We have all gotten quite used to carrying our ID's over the course of our lives, the implicit assumption is that it contains verifiable information about your identity. Maybe the TSA doesn't scan people's licenses or other ID's, but maybe they should(just playing devil's advocate here). If you produce a fake ID, for whatever reason, that means you can be considered a criminal, and that makes me not want to be on a plane with you. If you did that, what's to stop you from engaging in other criminal activities that might affect me? I'm just taking this to its logical conclusion. Plus, the last several times I have flown, my ID was studied by the gate agent as well as the TSA staffer at the head of the line(that's how it's done in Philly anyway), and they checked to make sure the name on the ticket matches the name on the ID. Verifying identity is a completely separate issue than screening for dangerous items, but they certainly complement each other. Plus, with large beaurocracies like the TSA that put little children's names on the no-fly list among other things, I would think that it could help to have an ID they can run. A ticket in your hand only says you're in possession of a ticket, and nothing else.

So all of a sudden there's a backlash about carrying a photo ID? I don't understand this. Every time I have to interact with a cop, whether its spotting, or speeding, I expect to have to show ID. I think the same rule should have to apply in an airport. The screening process has flaws and everyone knows it(remember the 'pistol-packing granny' case 2 weeks ago), so it shouldn't be the only method of defense. So no, I don't think just a screening is enough since its obvious people can sneak guns on planes.

I'll say it again- when you enter an airport and then a plane you bear some level of accountability to your fellow passengers and should be able to produce an ID. It isn't a playground. Besides, the licenses that we faked years ago to buy beer were a little easier to forge than what most states issue today. Lastly, I'm sure people whose job it is to look at ID's and passports all day long get pretty decent at being able to spot a fake or altered ID. If we're going to operate off the assumption that ID's could be faked easily enough, then what is the point of having any ID at all?

So Phil M, I am one that is NOT a fan of the TSA by any means.

I wonder what has this incident done? Do you think policies have changed to better inform TSA officials? What has been worth the $34,000?

David

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Originally Posted by megatop412

I think the screening process is only one component of an effective safety program. We have all gotten quite used to carrying our ID's over the course of our lives, the implicit assumption is that it contains verifiable information about your identity. Maybe the TSA doesn't scan people's licenses or other ID's, but maybe they should(just playing devil's advocate here). If you produce a fake ID, for whatever reason, that means you can be considered a criminal, and that makes me not want to be on a plane with you. If you did that, what's to stop you from engaging in other criminal activities that might affect me? I'm just taking this to its logical conclusion. Plus, the last several times I have flown, my ID was studied by the gate agent as well as the TSA staffer at the head of the line(that's how it's done in Philly anyway), and they checked to make sure the name on the ticket matches the name on the ID. Verifying identity is a completely separate issue than screening for dangerous items, but they certainly complement each other. Plus, with large beaurocracies like the TSA that put little children's names on the no-fly list among other things, I would think that it could help to have an ID they can run. A ticket in your hand only says you're in possession of a ticket, and nothing else.

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So all of a sudden there's a backlash about carrying a photo ID? I don't understand this. Every time I have to interact with a cop, whether its spotting, or speeding, I expect to have to show ID. I think the same rule should have to apply in an airport. The screening process has flaws and everyone knows it(remember the 'pistol-packing granny' case 2 weeks ago), so it shouldn't be the only method of defense. So no, I don't think just a screening is enough since its obvious people can sneak guns on planes.

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William, that's exactly the point, thank you for pointing it out. YOU have decided to simply trust whatever you are told to do or behave like and that's that... that is entirely your prerogative and your right. What I am trying to say, and what those folks that test the system are trying to say is, just because you told us to, does not mean we have to. William, have you really considered why you give your ID wherever you go? You don;t care why you are eing asked? You don't care if it is required or not required. Why do you trust the government implicitly? Remember now, there is a test at the end :-) YOU ARE the government... you, me, everyone. WE are the law makers, the law enforcers, the law reviewers, WE!!! us, you and I.

I am a law abiding citizen, not part of a herd of robots. I like to know why I have to or am supposed to do something. Please do not take that right away. Curiosity is the only thing keeping sane free citizens from those who are oppressed. Too much trust and someone will eventually have more power to do more as they are not questioned or challenged.

It is a fine balance between being civil and being ignorant. I like being civil which gives me the capacity to question and challenge, not be ignorant and not be an a**hole. Let's put it another way:

--Take a LAWYER, a Supreme Court Lawyer, years of experience, tons of hours in front of the bench. Knows the justices by first name and even has dinner with them.
--Said lawyer presents a case to the court asking if it is constitutional for a government agency to require government issued ID.

Would you say that is OK vs someone, a regular citizen, challenging a government agency demanding and requiring, with threat of arrest, ID? BTW, the minute a Police Officer or any person in a position of authority tells another person that they are "in trouble" that could be considered threatening and intimidating, both of which are considered offensive. NO ONE can threaten you, ever. You can ONLY be charged with a crime, arrested and charged with that crime. Processed, arraigned, brought up on criminal charges by a grand jury of regular citizens and then go in front of a judge in either a jury trial or not and then convicted of the crimes of which you are charged. That is the ONLY way I know someone can get you in trouble...

...well, for me, telling my mom is another way to get me in trouble :tongue:

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I'll say it again- when you enter an airport and then a plane you bear some level of accountability to your fellow passengers and should be able to produce an ID. It isn't a playground. Besides, the licenses that we faked years ago to buy beer were a little easier to forge than what most states issue today. Lastly, I'm sure people whose job it is to look at ID's and passports all day long get pretty decent at being able to spot a fake or altered ID. If we're going to operate off the assumption that ID's could be faked easily enough, then what is the point of having any ID at all?

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Who said it is a playground? PLAYING ALONG is what makes it a playground! Come on now... do you believe that Mr Mocek was acting like a child? He seemed pretty grown up to me. Regardless of what he was intentionally doing or not, he had a purpose when he intended to test the system instead of ignoring it and allowing it to be for the sake of being. It takes guts to do what he did as a Citizen with Rights... I know I am a coward because I would never have done it. But I admit I am afraid to test it... I go along with it just to not make a scene... but I know I may be giving up my rights by doing so... that is the whole point here. This is NOT anything to do with terrorism. YOU WELL KNOW that said terrorists are not going to use a hard target but a soft one. I worry more about the construction trucks entering JFK left and right 24x7x365. I don't see no metal detectors at those check points... NONE!!

And next time you're on a plane, try this. Ask the person next to you if their ID was really a valid one, given to them by a government agency. Ask them to prove it... and no, 3D holograms have been cracked already. This is why credit card companies have three forms of verification ... I NEVER have to show ID when I use my credit card, ever! As a matter of fact, William, the LAW does not require it! :P and most credit card companies do NOT require it either. The businesses ask for it to protect themselves from chargebacks.

"I worry more about the construction trucks entering JFK left and right 24x7x365"


This has some truth Manny, and I am concerned too. One day I was having lunch near where some of the construction trucks would line up and get escorted to the ramp, but at time there were none. As I'm having my lunch a security vehicle pulls up next to me and asked if I needed an escort to the ramp? Is it really that simple? Sure they probably would have taken my plate number, etc. but if I played along I'm sure I would have been driving on the ramp. I can only hope the screening and inspection process for entering the ramp area is beefed up.

I have to say this though, when I went to the Singapore and the ANA press events, security was SUPER TIGHT!!!!! I was almost cavity searched and I had to submit my ID way in advance and be CLEARED. And I was NOT FLYING...

While at the Singapore event, to get into the airplane cabin, there were two private security guards at each door (that's 4 total) and they screened EVERYONE very very hard... even the pilots, the Singapore engineers, and food people, OTHER security guards from other agencies were screened. I left the plane for a second to put down my coat and almost could not get back in. I was very impressed. None of the four guards smiled nor made idle chat nothing... they were extremely professional.

Where did Mocek go? Maybe Nick and Mannys back-and-forth scared him more than the TSA and APD combined. :eek::biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Gerard

Where did Mocek go? Maybe Nick and Mannys back-and-forth scared him more than the TSA and APD combined. :eek::biggrin:

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Ha! I doubt it... I am sure he has other more purpose related websites and blogs to deal with than our somewhat dedicated site here. Besides, I am a NOBODY in the grand scheme of things... no reason to be afraid of me for anything LOL... That would be hilarious. :cool: Although come to think of it, I would have shot a much better video ... perhaps even use asteadycam! nyah nyah nyah

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Where did Mocek go?

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Maybe he opened a school that teaches airline travelers to fight an armed terrorist so next time they go through a check point they can tell the TSA they aren't needed. Since we can all regain control of the aircraft in case we run into any terrorists.

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Originally Posted by NIKV69

Maybe he opened a school that teaches airline travelers to fight an armed terrorist so next time they go through a check point they can tell the TSA they aren't needed. Since we can all regain control of the aircraft in case we run into any terrorists.

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Yeah WTF was that? :tongue:
And I'm still trying to figure out what my "daily missle" is. :eek::cool:

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Originally Posted by Gerard

Yeah WTF was that? :tongue:
And I'm still trying to figure out what my "daily missle" is. :eek::cool:

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Your car, Gerard... Just your everyday car. There are thousands each day out on the road... back and forth up and down. It was stated as a joke but not really. It is related to my point that there are many things we take for granted that have the potential to cause much harm and they go on day in and day out with little checks and balances. That was one of the points I tried to make.

Nicks school post... that was hilarious.


You know, I just read through this thread....one thing I've been thinking about since there was a big uproar in NY regarding NYS driving licenses:

Our licenses as a form of ID....is one big fat joke. YOu renew it every 8 years with an OPTION to renew the photo.

Now sure, I still have my college photo in there, but look nothing like my college pic.....what the heck kind of ID purpose is that/??!

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Originally Posted by Gerard

Mr. Mocek do you carry an ID with you? Do you have a drivers license?

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I am licensed by the state of Washington to drive on public roads. I carry documentation of such when driving on public roads. If I plan to leave the United States, I carry my passport (and I carry it when I return, though international treaty obligations require our border guards to allow me re-entry to my home country regardless of whether I'm carrying a passport). At most other times, whether I carry any cards or documents with with me is just a matter of convenience.

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Originally Posted by gonzalu

Phil, as you state in your video above, you wanted a jury of your peers to see the evidence and find you not guilty for reasons of you believing you were within your rights.

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It's not so much that I was "within my rights" but that I did not violate any law. It seems maybe you and others think of this trial as a test of whether intending to go through airport with no documentation besides one's valid boarding pass is lawful, or whether it's lawful to use your camera to record some public employees interacting with you and other people in public at a public airport. Those are lawful, but I wasn't charged with either of those things. I did not do what the police claimed I did. Officers Dilley, Wiggins, and De La Pena all lied in their reports.

The document checker guy didn't like me using my camera. His grouchy manager didn't either, and either tried to steal it from me or to grab my arm. They called the police, then reported, "First of all he's refusing to show ID. Second of all he's videotaping and taking pictures of the process." Breedon knew that I didn't have to show ID. He told me so in the first ten seconds of our interaction when I reached the front of the line. And the idea that it would be unlawful to use a camera in a public to get images or video of things that thousands of people see every day, is laughable. But that's what he told the police.

Albuquerque Aviation Police Department Officer Dilley told me to do whatever the security guards told me to do, and when I explained -- calmly and politely -- that I knew there was no rule against using my camera, he started to eject me from the airport. I immediately complied, walking away with him.

He then stopped and told me I had to show him ID. This was not based in law, and it would have been impossible for me to do so. He never asked who I was -- for me to identify myself -- only that I show him ID. I told him I didn't have it, so he took my bags, walked me over to the airport police office, and locked me in a cell. He made up a story about what had happened, claiming that I said and did things I not do, in support of his claim that I violated four laws, then signed this falsified report under penalty of perjury.

It's really that simple.

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Originally Posted by gonzalu

If the jury had not found in your favor, how would you have felt?

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I suppose I would have felt that they were mistaken, or that they had been convinced by the prosecution that even though I was not guilty of the things of which I was accused, I should be punished anyway.

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Originally Posted by gonzalu

How would you have reacted?

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I suppose my immediate reaction would have been about the same, but without the hugs from my partner, my parents, and my lawyers. Then, instead of seeking avice about filing a civil suit, I'd have saught advice about appealing the decision.

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Originally Posted by gonzalu

Would your life or views have changed as a result?

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That would have depended on whether or not my appeal was successful, and whether jail time was imposed as punishment.

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Originally Posted by gonzalu

I ask because it sounds from your tone and demeanor that you are genuinely interested in what's right and wrong.

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Very much so.

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Originally Posted by gonzalu

I would love to hear your opinion if the decision by the jury had been for the plaintiffs?

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My opinion would have been that they were incorrect. I did not do the things of which I was accused.

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Originally Posted by gonzalu

Thank you for taking the time to openly discuss this case as well as your beliefs with us.

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You're welcome. Thanks, again, for your interest in my case and in the surrounding issues.

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Originally Posted by megatop412

I'd rather be on a plane full of folks that carry ID with them than one where anyone can get on just holding a ticket (If nothing else, I'm not stuck on a plane full of people who don't feel any accountability to their fellow passengers).

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What about the documents people carry makes you more comfortable about them? What about the same people, without documentation of identity, would make you uncomfortable? How does having identified themselves to government agents make those people any more accountable to other passengers? It's not like they're on a bus that they can jump off of and run away. If they do something wrong, they're not going to run away from everyone.

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Originally Posted by megatop412

You're not getting on a bus- there's a higher standard we should be holding air travel to due to its inherent vulnerability that other forms of transportation don't have- namely, one's inability to escape from the environment should a problem occur, in combination with how problems at 35k can lead to death much more easily and quickly.

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That might explain why we search people for weapons before they board airplanes, but not before they board buses. I don't understand how their identities are related to their potential to cause harm.

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Originally Posted by megatop412

I'm not saying it's foolproof, we all know it isn't, but it's better than just saying the hell with ID's altogether.

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How so?

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Originally Posted by megatop412

carrying ID is an accepted practice pretty much everywhere you go

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Yes, it seems everybody is doing it. So what?

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Originally Posted by megatop412

I fail to see how carrying ID forfeits any liberties that my father bombed the Nazis to protect.

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Carrying documentation of your identity may not forfeit your liberties. Having your movement restricted because someone, somewhere, added your name to a blacklist, without any due process or means of appeal, is most certainly an infringement upon the liberties your father fought to protect.

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Originally Posted by megatop412

If you [present] a fake ID [to airport security guards], for whatever reason, that means you can be considered a criminal, and that makes me not want to be on a plane with you.

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When I'm on a plane, I don't care if the other people on the plane identified themselves accurately, inaccurately, or at all, to security guards. That someone violated a law in the process of traveling anonymously is not of the least concern to me.

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Originally Posted by megatop412

If you did that, what's to stop you from engaging in other criminal activities that might affect me?

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You could say the same of any action. If someone brushed his teeth that morning, what's to stop him from engaging in criminal activities that might affect you?

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Originally Posted by megatop412

I'm just taking this to its logical conclusion.

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To be clear: Your "logical conclusion" sounds to be that if someone is willing to use a fake ID, he's likely to be the sort of person who would murder a planeload of people.

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Originally Posted by megatop412

Plus, the last several times I have flown, my ID was studied by the gate agent as well as the TSA staffer at the head of the line(that's how it's done in Philly anyway), and they checked to make sure the name on the ticket matches the name on the ID.

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Sure, they did. Otherwise, you could re-sell the airline ticket you purchased just like you can resell *any other* ticket (movie, sporting event, bus) you purchased, and just like you could re-sell an airplane ticket not so long ago.

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Originally Posted by megatop412

[Verifying identity and searching people for dangerous items] certainly complement each other.

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How so?

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Originally Posted by megatop412

A ticket in your hand only says you're in possession of a ticket, and nothing else.

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It also indicates that someone has purchased a flight. A dollar in your hand says you'r ein possession of dollar, and nothing else. If you have a dollar, you should be entitled to spend it, and if you are in possession of an airline ticket, you should be entitled to a plane ride.

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Originally Posted by megatop412

Every time I have to interact with a cop, whether its spotting, or speeding, I expect to have to show ID.

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You may expect to be required to do so every time, but you are not required to do so every time. Every time I interact with a cop, I expect him or her to lie to other people about our interaction unless I am sufficiently meek and subservient. That doesn't mean that such will be the case, or that it is just for such to be the case.

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Originally Posted by megatop412

its obvious people can sneak guns on planes.

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I agree. Please note that requiring people to identify themselves and wait for permission from the government before they travel does not prevent them from sneaking guns onto airplanes.

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Originally Posted by megatop412

I'm sure people whose job it is to look at ID's and passports all day long get pretty decent at being able to spot a fake or altered ID.

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Those are the same people who are searching for guns using metal detectors, virtual strip searches, and police-style body searches.

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Originally Posted by megatop412

If we're going to operate off the assumption that ID's could be faked easily enough, then what is the point of having any ID at all?

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Good question.

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Originally Posted by Gerard

I'm still trying to figure out what my "daily missle" is.

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I suspect the OP meant to refer to your automobile. 30,000 people die in traffic accidents on U.S. roads every year. You and your car and me and my car are among the biggest threats to transportation safety.

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Originally Posted by AirlineReporter

I wonder what has this incident done?

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It showed people that if you stand up to the lies of airport security guards and airport police, you won't be convicted of things you didn't do. It clarified that TSA "officers" are not law enforcement officers, that we have the right to fly without presenting documentation of our identities, that we have the right to film in public areas of airports, and that it's wise to do so. I hope it will make other people more likely to question the unlawful demands of TSA staff (e.g., identity checkpoints, virtual strip searches, gropings) and that it will make local police think twice before putting someone through the wringer because some airport rent-a-cop gets annoyed and tells them to.

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Originally Posted by AirlineReporter

Do you think policies have changed to better inform TSA officials?

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Those policies are kept secret (except for the tents of thousands of low-level airport security staff who get to read them), so I can only guess. I don't think the higher-ups at TSA care if their airport staff are well-informed.

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Originally Posted by AirlineReporter

What has been worth the $34,000?

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I was facing a year in jail. Maintaining my freedom was worth a lot more than $34,000.

Some advice perhaps to be considered:

You're sending an awful lot of time responding to our pithy comments. Perhaps a 2nd job or some serious overtime can erase that legal bill.

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Originally Posted by mirrodie

Some advice perhaps to be considered:

You're sending an awful lot of time responding to our pithy comments. Perhaps a 2nd job or some serious overtime can erase that legal bill.

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Mario, you hiring? :tongue:

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Originally Posted by mirrodie

Some advice perhaps to be considered:
You're sending an awful lot of time responding to our pithy comments.

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Yeah and I'm seriously glazed over with this topic. It has developed into the circle game.

Gerard, next time I see you am gonna punch you in the bicep! :wink:

I think it's great we've been able to have a hearty and (mostly) respectful debate about this, but I too am glazed over by now. It sure seems that everything that was needed said has been. All I know is that 2 weeks ago, nobody cared one iota about being asked for their ID, and that when I travel to my cousin's wedding in April, I plan to actually get there and not f**k things up by telling people I don't need to show my ID and then filming their response to that. I do plan on telling anyone who tries to stop me from photographing at PHL or BNA that that is perfectly legal behavior. I don't get intimidated easily.

Mr. Mocek, good luck to you in your future endeavors.

See you guys(still no gals here yet?) at Bay Harbour Mall or the mounds sometime soon.

-William Rizzo

Phil, your discussion has been great, as said, thank you for you taking the time.

I do, however, have one question that I don't think was directly asked or answered.

Did you enter the airport without ID and with a camera knowing that you would likely have a confrontation with TSA? I just get the feeling you were looking for this incident to happen.

This is too funny and timely.
On Fridays episode of "Fringe"the killer was a TSA employee and picked out his victims during screening.
He got the info from their.....IDs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
And he used to be a Math professor at MIT who went a little wacky. Mmmm, good background check there. :eek:

Lol dude, I was thinking the same thing while watching fringe!!

No, not hiring just yet. But to be honest, if I had an applicant whose past behavior seems to indicate that he wants to challenge "the system", I don't know if that would be the best person for our team.

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Originally Posted by Phil D.

Phil, your discussion has been great, as said, thank you for you taking the time.

I do, however, have one question that I don't think was directly asked or answered.

Did you enter the airport without ID and with a camera knowing that you would likely have a confrontation with TSA? I just get the feeling you were looking for this incident to happen.

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Of course he did, which is why he is not answering. He is an activist, as is his lawyer. He went in there planning for this to happen and planning to get video of TSA as well. I think he didn't plan on it as going as far as it did with the arrest though in the back of his mind he knew it was possible.

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Originally Posted by Phil D.

Did you enter the airport without ID and with a camera knowing that you would likely have a confrontation with TSA?

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If by "likely have a confrontation" you mean "likely need to interact with TSA staff who are misinformed and/or likely to lie about their own policies and might try to prevent me from traveling" then yes, I did enter without ID (didn't have any on me), with a camera (I almost always have one with me), and with the knowledge that I would likely have such a confrontation (you never know how far they'll go). I had been through airport security multiple times after presenting only a boarding pass, but had not done so since TSA announced that people who claimed their documentation of identity was misplaced or stolen would still be allowed to fly but that those who willfully refused to present it would not (making very clear that their policy is about conditioning people for compliance, not about ensuring safety).

I'm curious. How did the Cannabis Defense Coalition get involved with your case?
http://cdc.coop/about

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Originally Posted by Gerard

How did the Cannabis Defense Coalition get involved with your case?
http://cdc.coop/about

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Cannabis Defense Coalition is a 501(c)(3) non-profit member cooperative focused on drug law reform in Washington State. I'm a member and I serve on the board of directors. In 2009, I was in Albuquerque representing CDC at Drug Policy Alliance's biennial international drug policy reform conference.

For more on the connection, please see http://cdc.coop/tsa_arrest. For a concise view of what CDC does, please see our project page: http://cdc.coop/projects