WNBC is showing a shot of the aircraft up against a dock at Battery Park. The tail and left wing are up out of the water.
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WNBC is showing a shot of the aircraft up against a dock at Battery Park. The tail and left wing are up out of the water.
I'm wondering if they will De-fuel the A/C (at least partially) while it is still in the water? I don't know if US would have tankered fuel for the A/C next leg, but I bet LGA-CLT with contingency for taxi/de-ice delays would have put the fuel on board up near 12,000kg to 15,000kg. I also think maybe JFK hangar 19(former Pan-AM, former United) for the investigation? It seems kind of logical to put the A/C on a barge, transport it to JFK then put it on low flatbeds and roll it to the hangar right at the end of 13R......... Hell of a job by the Flight Crew, hitting that water at over 150kts and keeping the A/C intact with only minor injuries to a few pax.
Latest reports said they have the plane tied up to a pier near Battery Park City. Amazing that everyone survived! I cannot believe that the aircraft didn't flip or break apart upon impact. Simply amazing!
Why not, very plausible. Those Canada Geese love to fly in formations of 10-20 or more! Most likely the crew saw them at the last minute but it was too late. They also love to take wing right at sunset when you can't see them. I had a near miss with a flock of them at final to runway 19 at FRG. They must've been grazing at the cemetery and took off westbound crossing the final at 200'. I only caught them at the last second when I pulled up to avoid them. I scattered a V formation of at least 8 of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by mirrodie
Pete
That does happen... I remember vividly a CVR of a 737 with a birdstrike in both engines...the #1 went out and #2 started to surge about 2 times every second for about 60 seconds....then it got real quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by ch2tdriver
There are other examples
The captain, C. B. "Sully" Sullenberger, has been flying for at US for 29 years and has acted as a Check Airman, an ALPA safety chairman and an accident investigator. He's also a USAF Academy grad, flew F-4s for over six years and was on a USAF aircraft accident investigation board. If you're going to be on a plane with dead engines, I'd say you can't get a pilot with more relevant experience than this guy.
Here's his LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/209/118
"Yukla 27" was a USAF E-3 AWACS aircraft (707 type) which crashed on takeoff from Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska in 1995. It flew through a flock of geese while taking off, causing the number 1 and 2 engines to loose power. The crew was unable to control the aircraft and it crashed shortly after liftoff, killing all 24 on board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derf
Is it any surprise he is an Air Force guy? http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/1...71_Jjvya-L.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
You guys are right. I think I misinterpreted what ongoing reporters were saying.'
What I interpreted from what I heard was that the plane hit birds on takeoff.
So in looking at the flightpath maps, I was sitting there thinking, how could this guy continue north and then turn southwest with 2 engines off?!
So does it seem more plausible the strike took place later after takeoff?
They did, but I do not have any accurate info....sorry
just saw passur. Looks like she was losing altotude right over Bronx Park and then started the turn.
Wonder how scary it was also, seems on passur that when she was at 800 ft, there was another plane coming, head-on, N461SA at 500 ft, who turned east at the last moment.
Amazing day. my first thought was My gosh, not another AIr Florida on the Potomac. So glad it was the opposite!
It's possible. A couple weeks ago I was walking in Midtown and spotted a flock of geese flying well above a plane on approach to Newark, easily above 2000 feet. I was amazed that geese could fly that high.Quote:
Originally Posted by mirrodie
I just googled it and found out Canada geese often fly as high as 9,000 feet, and some geese species fly over 20,000 feet!!!
an African vulture, struck by an airliner at 37,000 feet.
They may have hit the birds shortly after takeoff, but that doesn't mean that both engines lost complete power immediately. They may have lost one engine, and may have had a more progressive power loss in the other, depending on the amount of damage - it could cause compressor stalls, engine surges or other problems. They may have never lost power completely on the second engine, but it may have been damaged enough they were unable to continue flying with one engine out and one at partial power. Fortunately, it should be fairly easy to retrieve the black box data and see what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by mirrodie
Alex messaged me about this and of course you think of the worst. Its truly a fantastic everyone made it off, when you think about it that really is amazing considering all the factors involed. Cheers to the flightdeck crew and their outstanding airmanship.
So any word if the birds were injected directly after takeoff, or a short while after...?
If it was after takeoff, Port Authority might be in some deep water...
> Fortunately, it should be fairly easy to retrieve the black box data and see what happened.[/quote]<
This was one of my favorite questions at Bloombergs news conference when a reporter asked if this black box is still
intact. Mayor Mike had a look like "You idiot the whole plane is intact" but answered it nicer than that.
The pictures of the passengers standing on the wings but looking like they were standing on water was AMAZING.
And big-time kudos to the ferrys of NY Waterways and Circle Line who today were the first responders, on scene SECONDS
after the plane "Landed" in the river.
What a great outcome to what could have been a huge disaster.
Amazing that everything turned out for the best given the situation. No one was really hurt and great job from the flight crew. I'm only in SI and not too far away; does anyone know for sure where they will 'dock' her for the night? I heard near battery park but I just wanted to make sure. Was thinking about heading over there tomorrow morning just to check it out before school.
> I'm only in SI and not too far away; does anyone know for sure where they will 'dock' her for the night? I heard near battery park but I just wanted to make sure. Was thinking about heading over there tomorrow morning just to check it out before school.[/quote]
Right now a shot from Skyfox showed it down by Battery Park. How long it stays there is anyones guess but probably for awhile.
Some eyewitnesses interviewed thought the plane was another terrorist attack and it was going to head into a building. And ironic
that it is now docked right across from Ground Zero.
I wonder if it will still be by there tomorrow afternoon. Do you think anyone would give me a problem if I wanted to see it and take photos of it be the dock or seawall? Ya know the whole illegal spheal?
Pretty sure no one will give you a problem about photos, but if it is still there, I think there will be a wide perimeter to keep anyone away from it. But who knows, give it a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikon50bigma
This is officially the first time a commercial jet has executed a successful water landing without any deaths.
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Safe Water Landing a Remarkable Feat
By J. LYNN LUNSFORD
For the first time in 50 years of commercial jet flight, the pilots of US Airways Flight 1549 successfully executed one of the most technically challenging maneuvers, landing a jetliner on water without fatalities.
Although commercial jetliners are required to be equipped with life vests and inflatable slides for use in an emergency landing on water, it is a seldom-attempted feat. Indeed, even though pilots go through the motions of training to ditch a plane in the water, the generally held belief is that such landings would almost certainly result in fatalities.
To accomplish such a feat shortly after takeoff, while maneuvering past the skyscrapers and dense development of Manhattan, and into the crowded Hudson River, is widely being hailed as a testament to the crew's piloting skills. [Full Article]
Overseas National Airways DC9 did it a while ago... I think there were 9 deaths....but that was not in calm weather, that swas a stormy seas with 8ft rolling waves!!!!
Nice to see a fellow Zoomie and ex-Air Force aviator handle this so well! A lot of props to him!Quote:
Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
Here's some more info on him (pic included):
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... hero1.html
Better to hit a bird and have engine failure cruising at 20,000' than to hit one at 2,000' right after takeoff or on final.Quote:
Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
Birds are probably the biggest everyday threat to flying operations. We get large flocks of vultures and other birds - especially during the summer - quite frequently. Birdstrikes aren't all that uncommon, and most of the time unless they end up with the aircraft making a safe landing. The biggest danger is if birds make direct hits on critical components necessary for sustained flight (engines/control surfaces etc...). There was an AWACS plane up in Alaska in the 90s that went through a similar event - unfortunately it crashed and all aboard perished.
Think about the Thomsonfly 752 incident over a year ago in Manchester Ringway. A heron got suck into the #2 engine while rotating. There was flames coming out of the engine, but was able to make it back to Manchester safely landing with one engine.
First, I'd like to say that I hope that our friends and fellow-members who work for US are ok, preferably that they had the afternoon off. Knowing one of your own planes went down has got to be a horrible feeling that I wish on no one. Touch base guys! Please!
An amazing story, without saying. This is the direct result of two things. First is the enormous skill and cool of the pilots. Second is because of safety in guidelines and design from decades of crashes that make air disasters more survivable. We can truly thank out government agencies for that.
What could have been a heartbreaking day actually became a happy and relieving one. Hats off to the US Airways crew!
Ex-Shuttle plane. Here is the most recent photo of her in NY on anet or jpnet, from 2003, by Art Brett:Quote:
Originally Posted by runway27r
Actually, Josh Akbar caught it at LGA from Planeview in May of '04.
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php? ... 40&nseq=10
Paul caught her at PHL in June 2008: http://www.flickr.com/photos/runway27r/2579331944/
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3067/...3a12d6a1d0.jpg
>Wonder how scary it was also, seems on passur that when she was at 800 ft, there was another plane coming, head-on, N461SA at 500 ft, who turned east at the last moment.
I knew that N # sounded familiar. N461SA is not a fixed wing but a Eurocopter AS350 B2 owned by Wings Air LLC out of
White Plains. I bet they have a helluva story to tell.
http://www.wingsair.net/helicopters_charters.php
Incredible photo taken before any boats showed up!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregorylam ... 0/sizes/o/
Amazing job by the flight crew.
BBC has some great photos sent in by readers:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7832390.stm
According to picture #4, it is now docked at Battery Park. I would imagine it would take some time to set up cranes in order to lift the plane and place it on a barge?
Just a quick hello from US LGA, another very long day in the Tower which started before 0600 for me with lot's of deicing. As luck would have it I was the Tower Supv today, my team on both sides of the room came through this as I would expect, with flying colors. We did what we are trained to do (I went thru a company emergencey exercise only a few months ago) and we got thru it. Having everyone survive does make things much easier to deal with, regardless I am very proud of my co-workers and especially the crew of US 1549, and also Airbus for building a solid airplane.
One side note, I am now waiting for the second of two go-team flights to arrive. The first from PIT was ironically sister ship A-320 N105UW. The second, from PHX is a little more interesting, wingletted 757 N909AW, which will be leaving LGA at 1000 Friday morning if anyone wants to try and catch this rare LGA visitor.
And finally today, like every day, I am still proud to be a part of the USAirways family.
Regards
LGA777
Kudos to the whole team Ron! That's what team work is all about!
It was an amazing piece of airmanship, obviously the great training of all the flight and cabin crew in getting everyone out safely and without loss of life. No matter how much people knock different airlines, this is a time when everyone should be singing the praises of US Airways!
I might go down there to get a few shotsQuote:
Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
I read on another forum that, apparently, the A320 has a 'ditching' mode, which closes valves below the flotation line.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...hin1_4G4XO.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...hin2_A1wzs.jpg
I'm going to try to go there after school, around 3:30-4. Might be a total miss, but we'll never know until we try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta777LR
I responded directly to the US Air Terminal and was in the Station Managers office most of the night. I just got home and just wanted to say great job from the pilot all the way up and down the line at US Airways. From Loretta, Lou to all the staff who showed up to help, you should all be proud. Everyone jumped in and the main concern was to make sure staff got to the hospitals to make sure any assistance the passengers needed they had.
JetBlue sent pizza over. PANYNJ, PAPD, FBI, DHS/TSA, NYPD and the airline all worked great together in multiple locations.
A friend of mine called from CA while I was working to tell me to check the news...I got onto yahoo and couldn't believe my eyes. Incredible job from the pilot and cabin crew. I wonder if a video or some good quality photos will show up.
Also, kudos to jetBlue for that small gesture of pizza. I really liked that.