Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
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- When you book ticket on real airline, you are able to select your seat during the booking process. You don't have to stay up all night waiting for time to check in with WN.
Who the heck stays up all night to check in on WN? That was like 4 years ago, now its 24 hrs in advance.
Book on a real airline...ok that doesn't charge you for food in coach? Drinks and peanuts on every single flight, minimum, a real airline that has one of the worlds safest records in history, a real airline that is the worlds largest airline domestically and intl, a real airline that usually gets you to your destination on time without pissing off their customers (read that US Airways?).....
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- I can't imagine taking flights with WN over 1hr long. You call that leather seats? On my both WN flights I had a seat with "leather" sticking up in the shape of triangle. I don't know if WN passengers are sucking up leather with their asses. Both flights felt like I was flying on a wooden seat.
Yes, they are leather seats, same leather AA uses in F/C, same leather DL uses, it is LEATHER. Only time i can even IMAGINE a wooden seat feeling like your describing is if it was factory delivered fresh, where the seat hasn't been "used" and "sunk in" yet. Otherwise, complete BS.
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- Do you remember two seasons of "Airline" on A&E channel? The only people that I saw there were eather drunks or first time flyers. Don't remember business people there.
Memory must be pretty bad, I saw a lot of business folks as well. Also think about this, do you want to watch a show about passengers behaving, actually KNOWING what they are supposed to do, and not see drama, and such like that on TV. That was the main target of the show, every airline would, and still to this day has the drunk people and first time flyers among other type of passengers.
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Enjoy your holiday.
You too! Enjoy!
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Oh ****..Hope Alex isn't around.
He's around.
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Why they wanted to try this is beyond me. I can't believe Alex when he said pax were asking for a change.
Well believe it instead of calling me a Liar. Fact is..Majority of passengers tested this, and liked it and asked WN to change it. Don't believe me, PLEASE Call Colleen and ask yourself, Tommy has her number, I am sure he'd be happy to give it to you. SWA is known for doing what its customers like, generally, passengers complained about standing in line, The airline listened, and responded the best way the passengers voted. Why it is so hard to believe is beyond me. This does NOT mean EVERYONE will like it, but most do.
Alex
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
I absolutely HATE the new boarding procedure, and I think it is such a stupid move, but I have to give Alex a little back up here.
The WN leather seats I sat in (4 in total, 2 each way) were probably some of the most comfortable seats that I have sat in, 10x better than the new AirTran slimline (I hated those with a passion, THEY felt like you were sitting on wood).
I enjoyed my experience on WN before they changed the boarding system. All I can hope is that they change it back, they were a fine airline before, but this new thing is ridiculous.
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
Dude, you don't have to be all upset because I don't like to fly WN. What I'm saying are the facts that I've experienced while flying with WN. Don't worry, WN is not on my ****list yet. The only airline that have this pleasure is American Airlines/American Eagle.
Back to the topic:
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- Book on a real airline...ok that doesn't charge you for food in coach? Drinks and peanuts on every single flight, minimum, a real airline that has one of the worlds safest records in history, a real airline that is the worlds largest airline domestically and intl, a real airline that usually gets you to your destination on time without pissing off their customers (read that US Airways?)......
On all of my US flights I've received drinks and pretzels or peanuts, even on CLT-GSP flight which was 12 minutes in the air.
I don't get your statement about being largest airline domestically and intl? I got the domestic part, but what about Intl. Care to explain?
Well, since you started talking about getting to your destination on time withouth pissing off their customers...
Here are my flights with WN. And now I can tell you that 50% of my flights were delayed :)
B737-700 Southwest BWI BUF WN2886 N414WN 4/8/2006
B737-300 Southwest BUF BWI WN230 N349SW 4/9/2006
Flight WN230 was delayed over 3hrs because aircraft had MX at ORF and was late coming in to BWI and then very late coming in to BUF to pick up pax on its last leg/.
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- Yes, they are leather seats, same leather AA uses in F/C, same leather DL uses, it is LEATHER. Only time i can even IMAGINE a wooden seat feeling like your describing is if it was factory delivered fresh, where the seat hasn't been "used" and "sunk in" yet. Otherwise, complete BS.
The wooden feeling was on both of my flights -300 and -700 series aircraft. On the way to BUF I had emergency exit row/window seat but I couldn't seat still. I'm not making jokes right now, person before me had to suck up leather with her/his ass. It was very uncomfortable flight. On the way back, I didn't have emergency exit row, but the seat was also with leather sticking up. I think -700 had new seats and -300 seats were worn out.
No, airlines are not using the same leather. Delta's leather seats are 'puffy', US seats are 'packed' just like B6 seats. The best First class seats were on America West A320s. They were just perfect. (Talking about USA domestic market since WN is not an international airline so I can't compare apples to oranges).
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- Memory must be pretty bad, I saw a lot of business folks as well. Also think about this, do you want to watch a show about passengers behaving, actually KNOWING what they are supposed to do, and not see drama, and such like that on TV. That was the main target of the show, every airline would, and still to this day has the drunk people and first time flyers among other type of passengers.
Actually I have first season on DVD at home and I like to watch it. Nothing funnier than drunk people fighting with CSAs :)
Alex, since you started working with WN we can't say anything bad about Southwest because you will always find explanation to the problem. Thats fine, but remember that people are different and have different views on life.
Look at Tommy. All these years he was bragging about WN whenever he could. Now WN have changed little policy and Tommy is pissed :)
Love it! LOL
Rafal :)
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
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This does NOT mean EVERYONE will like it, but most do.
Funny but so far in our discussion WN is batting a big fat 0. I still say give it s few weeks and we will see a change. It's turning into a debacle.
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This does NOT mean EVERYONE will like it, but most do.
Some of those episodes are funny. You have to remember some of those people were first time flyers that had no idea that WN had no codeshare, basically no anything. So when it goes bad your screwed. Unless your a biz select pax. :borat:
I can't say bad things about the seats. For what they are they are comfortable to me. Again your flying bargain basement. You have to keep that in consideration.
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
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I don't get your statement about being largest airline domestically and intl? I got the domestic part, but what about Intl. Care to explain?
Southwest Airlines is on set to become the worlds largest airline (in terms of passengers boarded), including International, which yes I know WN doesn't even fly Intl routes, this is due to being SWA flies more passengers then the current largest airline in the world, American Airlines.
Here is a link stating this and why this may happen.
http://www.dancewithshadows.com/flights ... rlines.asp
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Alex, since you started working with WN we can't say anything bad about Southwest because you will always find explanation to the problem.
I don't work for SWA anymore. However, I understand people not liking SWA, but 90% of it is for their own opinion and not factual stuff. Explanations perhaps, doesn't always mean I am right or it IS the right thing.
I never claim WN is all mighty, if I dare do so I be sure to back it up with Facts. I like to think I develope a reputation for being clear, and factual at all times even if it means I have to be wrong. I never try to bribe people into one thing and call them BS's and all, I may state their "facts" are BS. However, to state stuff like WN is not a Real Airline is truthfully, BS. You all know it, it is a Major Airline, Domestically the largest and is known on par for having great CS. To say it isn't is just wrong, and you all know it. Those are the type of unfactual comments I DO get defensive on.
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. All these years he was bragging about WN whenever he could. Now WN have changed little policy and Tommy is pissed :) Love it! LOL
No, it really isn't funny, it is quite sad, that one of the best customers for SWA, Tommy is all of a sudden mad at the airline he bragged about and gave the airline free advertising using his license plate. I took it upon myself not only as a friend but as a WN Employee to FIND OUT why he was upset, make excuses stating one thing if needed, and make calls and stuff to my co workers at the company to find out what happened and why he got the pass he did. I got my reasons, explained it to him, apologized, and encouraged him to call Colleen again or write in, as any of you that don't like what WN is offering and complain. WN is ONLY as good as the customer makes it, if you make it a bad flight its GOING to be a bad flight period. The same goes for ANY Airline, and believe it or not WN DOES CARE and WILL respond effectively ASAP to try to come to a reason between you the Customer and Southwest the Airline.
Alex
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
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Southwest Airlines is on set to become the worlds largest airline (in terms of passengers boarded), including International, which yes I know WN doesn't even fly Intl routes, this is due to being SWA flies more passengers then the current largest airline in the world, American Airlines.
Again Alex, WN may board a lot of pax but the miles flown is very small compared to the big airlines in the world. Sure in the continental US your one of the biggest but in the world you are still a small fish.
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No, it really isn't funny, it is quite sad, that one of the best customers for SWA, Tommy is all of a sudden mad at the airline he bragged about and gave the airline free advertising using his license plate. I took it upon myself not only as a friend but as a WN Employee to FIND OUT why he was upset, make excuses stating one thing if needed, and make calls and stuff to my co workers at the company to find out what happened and why he got the pass he did. I got my reasons, explained it to him, apologized, and encouraged him to call Colleen again or write in, as any of you that don't like what WN is offering and complain. WN is ONLY as good as the customer makes it, if you make it a bad flight its GOING to be a bad flight period. The same goes for ANY Airline, and believe it or not WN DOES CARE and WILL respond effectively ASAP to try to come to a reason between you the Customer and Southwest the Airline.
We know Alex, Tommy just experienced somerthing that most in his position will with this new boarding procedure since you hace now put someone who just plops down more money than someone who has flown more. The rest is all lip service. Whether Tommy files other airlines in the future is up to him but the treatment he is looking for can only be found on another carrier.
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
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Again Alex, WN may board a lot of pax but the miles flown is very small compared to the big airlines in the world. Sure in the continental US your one of the biggest but in the world you are still a small fish.
Nick your statement is very silly....WN is a worldwide admired company, they are not small fish by any means in the airline industry. WN is an industry leader and to be the largest most profitable airline in the nation based on passengers boarded speaks volumes. WN is very much a big fish on the world stage.
I still think WN is a great airline and a great company, I'm just not thrilled at all with this new procedure which I'm hoping they will change.
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
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WN is an industry leader and to be the largest most profitable airline in the nation based on passengers boarded speaks volumes. WN is very much a big fish on the world stage.
Nation yes, World hardly. They are great if you want to hopscotch the US. But after that if you need to go long haul it's time to book CO or someone.
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
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WN is an industry leader and to be the largest most profitable airline in the nation based on passengers boarded speaks volumes. WN is very much a big fish on the world stage.
Nation yes, World hardly. They are great if you want to hopscotch the US. But after that if you need to go long haul it's time to book CO or someone.
Nick no one is saying WN is global airline...they aren't but on an industry stage from a business point of view WN is a highly respected company which has had its business model copied more times them most companies. So again they are no small fish. As a matter of fact WN is larger then many global airlines.
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
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Originally Posted by NIKV69
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WN is an industry leader and to be the largest most profitable airline in the nation based on passengers boarded speaks volumes. WN is very much a big fish on the world stage.
Nation yes, World hardly. They are great if you want to hopscotch the US. But after that if you need to go long haul it's time to book CO or someone.
Nick, that is NOT what the subject is, who is the best to book intl flights.
World wise WN is set to become the LARGEST AIRLINE in the World because of the amount of passengers they carry which is already surpassing American Airlines, recently the worlds largest, this is defined by passenger carried, this has nothing to do where they fly.
Most of the LCC in the EU and other countries all looked to one Airline-Southwest Airlines. All and most carriers look to WN for the success WN has and try to model it after SWA.
So this by far very definetly proves WN is a big fish in the World.
Even your beloved CO worshipped SWA enough to create their own LCC-Continental Lite, 100% based after WN, which failed miserably. As did Shuttle By United, Delta Express, Metrojet, all were created by the airlines because they admired WN, all also failed.
Alex
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
Alex it's easy to use that stat because it favors WN. Use the stat of pax miles carried and your beloved WN doesn't even crack the top 5. I would think that carries more weight seeing that any body can cram people into a plane and short hop all over the place. WN has done with their model and it has served them well but I hardly think they are a player on the world scale. In the US sure but that is about it.
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
When measuring the success fo an airline, I think that the amoung of people you fly is far more important than how far you are flying them.
Airlines make money by the amount of tickets they sell, not how far their planes go.
As you said, it's easy to use THAT stat because it DOESN'T favor Southwest. Ask anyone in the industry and they'll tell you that distance is irrelevant.
I'm not a huge fan of Southwest, but another solid statistic to use is financial standing. Southwest is the ONLY airline I know of, perhaps in the world, that has stayed in the black for DECADES.
Compare them to domestic airlines in other countries and they also win hands down.
I would also like to say that I don't care for Southwest's seating arrangements, new or old. I either feel anxiety when I don't know where I'm going to sit, or I cannot relax or get excited about my trip until I'm seated because I have to keep my "game face" on to battle people for a good seat. If I'm not going to have a good seat, just let me know ahead of time so I can at least prepare myself and relax.
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
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Alex it's easy to use that stat because it favors WN. Use the stat of pax miles carried and your beloved WN doesn't even crack the top 5. I would think that carries more weight seeing that any body can cram people into a plane and short hop all over the place. WN has done with their model and it has served them well but I hardly think they are a player on the world scale. In the US sure but that is about it.
Nick what are you basing your opinion on that WN isn't a player on the world scale? WN has more influence on the global airline business then airlines that fly worldwide. If we were to follow your logic then airlines like EOS, Silverjet, and Maxjet would be global players simply because they fly over the Atlantic, certainly a great distance farther then WN. Your assumption that an airline that fly's globally means they have more say in the industry is just bullocks... Business decisions made by WN in the Dallas area have a huge affect on AA's global network. Why do you think AA wants to keep WN nice and little at Love Field? Give WN the chance at DFW and AA risks losing a wealth of connecting traffic from south of the boarder. I hate to tell you Nick but the fact that WN is the largest airline in the nation based on passengers boarded makes them a very powerful player in any market, domestically and internationally. I'm sorry but your assumptions are just plain incorrect.
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
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WN has more influence on the global airline business then airlines that fly worldwide
How? They are a domestic airline that has stolen a lot of low fare people from the regular carriers that's all.
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If we were to follow your logic then airlines like EOS, Silverjet, and Maxjet would be global players simply because they fly over the Atlantic
Your putting some CCN spin on this. Has nothing to do with what we are discussing. If these three carriers chose to try to invent their own niche of carrying a one class of first or biz over the Atlantic for cheaper fares. I doubt it has anything to do with WN.
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Why do you think AA wants to keep WN nice and little at Love Field? Give WN the chance at DFW and AA risks losing a wealth of connecting traffic from south of the boarder
So? Your telling me that if B6 was able to get gates at ISP they wouldn't give WN a run for their money? I have never flown airbus but I tell you if the fares and routes were the same I would chose B6 or any other carrier over them. All they have going for them is the fact that they are the only game in town on some of these routes. I mean it's not even a question of fare anymore because they aren't the rock bottom cheapest anymore and their service to some people suck. Just because you and Alex and others here have this love fest for them doesn't mean it's shared by others. I am sure a percentage of WN travelers fly them but are not in love with them.
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Most of the LCC in the EU and other countries all looked to one Airline-Southwest Airlines. All and most carriers look to WN for the success WN has and try to model it after SWA.
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I'm not a huge fan of Southwest, but another solid statistic to use is financial standing. Southwest is the ONLY airline I know of, perhaps in the world, that has stayed in the black for DECADES.
Well it is easy to just cut everything down to nothing and take away all the services and basically have a bus company with wings. You could put http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-...npresident.jpgin charge of it's fiances and they would turn a profit. If you want to admire a business plan I would encourage you to buy "From worst to first" from Gordon Bethune or a book written by Lee Iacocca. Men who got the same results without dropping their pants and cutting all services.
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
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How? They are a domestic airline that has stolen a lot of low fare people from the regular carriers that's all.
Nick you don't think that because WN's model has been copied successfully in Europe, Africa, Asia, and the Mid East they don't have an influence on the global industry?
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Your putting some CCN spin on this. Has nothing to do with what we are discussing. If these three carriers chose to try to invent their own niche of carrying a one class of first or biz over the Atlantic for cheaper fares. I doubt it has anything to do with WN.
Nick you just totally contradicted your argument. You clearly said in a few above posts that airlines that fly greater distances then WN have more influence on the global airline market. Oh btw WN is also one class of service, the business model works in both directions.
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So? Your telling me that if B6 was able to get gates at ISP they wouldn't give WN a run for their money? I have never flown airbus but I tell you if the fares and routes were the same I would chose B6 or any other carrier over them. All they have going for them is the fact that they are the only game in town on some of these routes. I mean it's not even a question of fare anymore because they aren't the rock bottom cheapest anymore and their service to some people suck. Just because you and Alex and others here have this love fest for them doesn't mean it's shared by others. I am sure a percentage of WN travelers fly them but are not in love with them.
A love fest? If I had a love fest for them I don't think I'd be complaining to their VP Colleen Barret about their new boarding procedure. B6 would certainly give WN a run for the money must like WN would give AA a run for the money which I clearly stated but you turned around into some baseless love fest statement.
Well it is easy to just cut everything down to nothing and take away all the services and basically have a bus company with wings. You could put Imagein charge of it's fiances and they would turn a profit. If you want to admire a business plan I would encourage you to buy "From worst to first" from Gordon Bethune or a book written by Lee Iacocca. Men who got the same results without dropping their pants and cutting all services.
Wow is that a false statement...Nick do you remember People's Express? They had a very barebones operation, packed their planes full and guess what?? They went under! No one is saying Gordon Bethune isn't a great leader, he was however Lee Iacocca??? Perhaps the other authors of Iacocca's book should be "The American Tax Payer."
Re: Southwest's A list is more like the F list (Updated 12/21)
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You clearly said in a few above posts that airlines that fly greater distances then WN have more influence on the global airline market.
Never said that. I responded to Alex when he said that WN was the biggest airline in the world simply because they board the most bodies. Wel no kidding, you will board more people than an airline such as Qantas when you are flying short hops all the time and Qantas is flying people around the world. It's a totally misleading stat.
I mean you can use any topic you want and get different Carriers. Use average amount of mile flown per passenger and who will you get? It's smoke and mirrors.
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Nick do you remember People's Express? They had a very barebones operation, packed their planes full and guess what?? They went under
This means nothing Tommy, what about B6? They came in and were successful. There is always going to be success and failure with every venture, there is always unknown circumstances that can cause failure.
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Perhaps the other authors of Iacocca's book should be "The American Tax Payer."
Didn't say Bethune was Iacocca, I used them as two seperate exmaples.
