I like Hillary

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the loss in Iraq

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Oh we have lost now? Sorry but I don't see it that way.

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the loss of prestige in the world for the US

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Prestige? What are you talking about?

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the certain knowledge by our enemies that we are a paper tiger

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No, we would be that paper tiger if we cut and run like you want us to do. Bush wants to defeat terrorism. Not run from it.

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This administration has catered to the rich at the expense of the middle class, which is the backbone of a stable and prosperous US.

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Actually if I remember correctly Bush was the first president to put a tax break to the tune of a 300 dollar check in my mailbox. Show me a Dem that has done that. Bush has brought unemployment to an all time low and the Dow is at its highest. Hitting 13,000 for the first time.

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As of this writing, there are 3,333 confirmed casualties in Iraq of our fellow Americans. They were sent there under dubious circumstances on claims that were not true. No weapons of mass destruction. No ties between Saddam and al qaida.

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Oh please, it's a known fact that Saddam had WMD and he killed how may of his own people with them? No ties? The guy had to go and that area is a haven for Al Qaida and God knows who else. It had to be liberated and a Democracy put in place or it would be a hot bed for every terrorist from the ones who hate us to Iran who hates Israel. If you want to talk about deaths lets talk about the 3000 at the WTC who dies for no other reason than Al Qaida hating our freedom.

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Originally Posted by NIKV69

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Nick he lost the popular election in 04 to Gore

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No kidding but you don't win the election on the popular vote you win it on the electoral vote.

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That's right - he won the electorial vote. It was decided in a state where his brother was governor, who set voter-registration rules designed to suppress turnout from likely-Democratic voting groups, and affirmed by the Supreme Court, 7 members of which were appointed while his father was either President or Vice President.

Face it folks, for one shining moment, we were a banana republic!

Get your years right ;)

Gore lost in 2000 not 2004.

Kerry lost in 2004....

I am Republican but I have little good to say about Bush.

I have NOTHING good to say about Bubba and the bitch though.

Art, how's flying aa treating you?

Mel, I'll still enjoying it. Are you? Run out of popcorn yet?

You don't have to be right wing to be dis-satisfied with Hil. Look at Cindy Sheean for example. Personally, I like Obama, however (straying off subject a bit), I don't think the Democratic Party will allow him to be front runner even if he wins the primary.

Hillary Clinton has done nothing for NYS as our senator. In fact she probably did more as First Lady. As for the GOP, Rudy is their best bet. Brownback is a Bush wannabe, McCain doesn't have any fire, no one gives a **** about Romney,and Goldwater and Nixon are dead. Like you say time will tell.

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Originally Posted by moose135

That's right - he won the electorial vote. It was decided in a state where his brother was governor, who set voter-registration rules designed to suppress turnout from likely-Democratic voting groups, and affirmed by the Supreme Court, 7 members of which were appointed while his father was either President or Vice President.

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Wait, didn't the New York Times go back after the election and pay a lot of money to have the ballots in Florida recounted and find that Bush had indeed won the popular vote, by a larger margin than what was originally thought?

Don't know if this is fact, but I recall hearing this from someone. Maybe someone here knows something about it...

What a reaction Hillary's name got.

Now I know to put Hillary's name on all my posts to get them read.

Let's see:

Yeltsin finally dead after he instituted democracy and robbed the Russians blind Hillary spotted at funeral

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Floods in Florida and gaters eat 100 year old Hillary spotted single handedly saving dozens.

Hillary, She ain't so bad, you'll like her when you get to know her...oh wait!

That is what Papa Bush said about boy Bush in the Banana Republic election.

You get the idea.

Dude, Clinton is one of the most anti American people in the nation as far as I am concerned. You may not realize it but the research is out there.

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Originally Posted by hiss srq

Dude, Clinton is one of the most anti American people in the nation as far as I am concerned. You may not realize it but the research is out there.

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Another powerful argument. Learn us more.

But, better to do a recount of only the areas/counties likely to change the final tally to Gore? That would not be a bannana republic?

We had someone's son running against someone's wife in a country of 200million+. In that respect we were already in a sorry spot.

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Originally Posted by moose135

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Originally Posted by NIKV69

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Nick he lost the popular election in 04 to Gore

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No kidding but you don't win the election on the popular vote you win it on the electoral vote.

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That's right - he won the electorial vote. It was decided in a state where his brother was governor, who set voter-registration rules designed to suppress turnout from likely-Democratic voting groups, and affirmed by the Supreme Court, 7 members of which were appointed while his father was either President or Vice President.

Face it folks, for one shining moment, we were a banana republic!

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Greatsite, I'm a registered Republican here in Queens County, but I gotta say I agree with many of your points about Bush. I think he's an embarrassment and unfit to lead the country and I'm astounded how many people are so deluded into think that even his farts are a stroke of genius. Thankfully, lots of Republicans see him as a liability and aren't supporting him on a lot of issues anymore.

As for our standing in the world, I think it's very sad when most of the world's population actually think more positively of overtly racist and brutal dictatorships with nefarious intentions, like China and Iran, than they do about us. Bush isn't exactly projecting the best image. It's bad for our interests in the future.

I don't even know where to begin about the mess in Iraq. Whether or not it was right to go to war there is not the issue now, the place is a mess and there seems to have been zero strategy to keep the peace there. Totally disorganized.

As for Hillary, what the hell has she done for us here in NY as a Senator? Not much...

I don't know who I'd vote for. I'd probably vote for Guiliani if he gets on the GOP ticket, but I don't think he will be on. I'm not a huge fan of McCain because he seems too plastic. The other candidates, I don't like at all. And nobody from the Dems really interests me. I don't know why the media is so obsessed with Obama.

I like Hilary... Duff. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Mellyrose

I'm SOOOOO glad I have zero opinion on politics! It sure is fun to watch though.

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Haha same here.

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Originally Posted by Iberia A340-600

I like Hilary... Duff. :lol:

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I'm more of a Haylie fan myself. Vote for Summer!

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Originally Posted by hiss srq

Dude, Clinton is one of the most anti American people in the nation as far as I am concerned. You may not realize it but the research is out there.

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Yeah, and 9/11 is a conspiracy. The research is out there. :roll:

Seriously....start bringing facts if you're going to open your mouth. I don't care either way about this argument and it's annoying to read.

<<Yeah, and 9/11 is a conspiracy. The research is out there. >>

We'll have to ask iMuS & rOsIe since they seem to make cryptic remarks on the subject...... Maybe they'll join up.

So, I am curious.

Why isn't it time for a smart, brilliant black man to lead this great country of ours?

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Originally Posted by GreatSiteCongrats

I like Hillary for President.

I think its time for a smart, brilliant woman to lead this great country of ours.

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Yeah, and 9/11 is a conspiracy

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It was just ask Rosie! Bush planted bombs so the buildings would come down after of course he stole all that oil from Iraq.

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Why isn't it time for a smart, brilliant black man to lead this great country of ours?

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Show us one.

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Originally Posted by Tom_Turner

So, I am curious.

Why isn't it time for a smart, brilliant black man to lead this great country of ours?

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Originally Posted by GreatSiteCongrats

I like Hillary for President.

I think its time for a smart, brilliant woman to lead this great country of ours.

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Does it really matter the race or gender? I think we get way to hung up on that.

Here's are excerpts from an article from Vanity Fair titled "Neo Culpa" dated January 2007 by David Rose.

The famous Neo Cons who advocated the war in Iraq talk about it as the mistake and disaster that it has become as a result of the Bush administration's incompetence.

Perle is unrecognizable as the confident hawk I once knew. "The levels of brutality that we've seen are truly horrifying, and I have to say, I underestimated the depravity," Perle says, adding that total defeat—an American withdrawal that leaves Iraq as an anarchic "failed state"—is not yet inevitable, but is becoming more likely. "And then," he says, "you'll get all the mayhem that the world is capable of creating."

According to Perle, who left the Defense Policy Board in 2004, this unfolding catastrophe has a central cause: devastating dysfunction within the Bush administration. The policy process has been nothing short of "disastrous," he says. "The decisions did not get made that should have been. They didn't get made in a timely fashion, and the differences were argued out endlessly. At the end of the day, you have to hold the president responsible.

Perle goes as far as to say that, if he had his time over, he would not advocate an invasion of Iraq: "I think if I had been delphic, and had seen where we are today, and people had said, 'Should we go into Iraq?,' I think now I probably would have said, 'No, let's consider other strategies for dealing with the thing that concerns us most, which is Saddam supplying weapons of mass destruction to terrorists.' … I don't say that because I no longer believe that Saddam had the capability to produce weapons of mass destruction, or that he was not in contact with terrorists. I believe those two premises were both correct. Could we have managed that threat by means other than a direct military intervention? Well, maybe we could have."

Having spoken with Perle, I wonder: What do the rest of the war's neoconservative proponents think?

I expect to encounter disappointment. What I find instead is despair, and fury at the incompetence of the Bush administration many neocons once saw as their brightest hope.

David Frum, the former White House speechwriter who co-wrote Bush's 2002 State of the Union address, accusing Iraq of being part of an "axis of evil," says it now looks as if defeat may be inescapable, because "the insurgency has proven it can kill anyone who cooperates, and the United States and its friends have failed to prove that it can protect them. If you are your typical, human non-hero, then it's very hard at this point to justify to yourself and your family taking any risks at all on behalf of the coalition." This situation, he says, must ultimately be blamed on "failure at the center."

Kenneth Adelman, a longtime neocon activist and Pentagon insider who has served on the Defense Policy Board, wrote a famous op-ed article in The Washington Post in February 2002, arguing, "I believe that demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk." Now he says, "I am extremely disappointed by the outcome in Iraq, because I just presumed that what I considered to be the most competent national-security team since Truman was indeed going to be competent. They turned out to be among the most incompetent teams in the postwar era. Not only did each of them, individually, have enormous flaws, but together they were deadly, dysfunctional."

And if he, too, had his time over, Adelman says, "I would write an article that would be skeptical over whether there would be a performance that would be good enough to implement our policy. The policy can be absolutely right, and noble, beneficial, but if you can't execute it, it's useless, just useless. I guess that's what I would have said: that Bush's arguments are absolutely right, but you know what? You just have to put them in the drawer marked CAN'T DO. And that's very different from LET'S GO."

The full article can be read at

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/feat ... cons200701

More to come...

If the eyeroll wasn't an indicator, I'd like to state for the record that I was joking about 9/11 being a conspiracy. Some people can't handle sarcasm.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Mellyrose

If the eyeroll wasn't an indicator, I'd like to state for the record that I was joking about 9/11 being a conspiracy. Some people can't handle sarcasm.

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Sarcasm about the conspiracy indicates that you are a part of the conspiracy!

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Originally Posted by Mellyrose

If the eyeroll wasn't an indicator, I'd like to state for the record that I was joking about 9/11 being a conspiracy. Some people can't handle sarcasm.

Thanks.

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I knew it was sarcasm Mel I should've added a :) tho...

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Originally Posted by "Tom_Turner":633f4

So, I am curious.

Why isn't it time for a smart, brilliant black man to lead this great country of ours?

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Originally Posted by GreatSiteCongrats

I like Hillary for President.

I think its time for a smart, brilliant woman to lead this great country of ours.

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Does it really matter the race or gender? I think we get way to hung up on that.[/quote:633f4]

Yes, the topic is absurd. That was my point..