JetBlue 4115 Heavy, DC-10 (Omni ?) just landed JFK from ATL, I assume on position for Tommorow.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU4115
LGA777
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JetBlue 4115 Heavy, DC-10 (Omni ?) just landed JFK from ATL, I assume on position for Tommorow.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU4115
LGA777
Ron they really don't have the choice, B6 doesn't have the capacity to deal with situations like this and they made it worse by removing further capacity in 2006. I really use to like B6 but the last few times I've flown them I've been delayed by more then three hours. They expanded to fast and bit off more then they could chew. Just compare their revenue with other airlines they are performing the worst for an airline of their size. They still are making tech stops on transcons this year bc the 320s can't make it. They made some really bad decisions in the last two years and its we're seeing it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by LGA777
Wow, A DC-10, must have really had a lot of customers to get to ATL!
jet Blue doesn't fly to ATL Matt. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by nwafan20
As mentioned it must be a repositioning flight coming in from ATL as an Omni flight and out to MCO as a jet Blue one.
Whoops, sorry.
So you think it went ATL-JFK-MCO?
I have been listening to the jetBlue circus on JFK ground control for several interesting hours. There are currently two DC-10's their, one going to LAS, JBU 4115 to LAS, and 4104 to MCO, both appeared to have ferried up from ATL. It seems only Gate 4 will hold a DC-10. so 4104 has been holding for Gate 4 about 2 hours. When LAS departs the MCO ten will come to the gate. Most inbounds have held for a gate for a while, one recent one got priority for a gate due to two seperate Medical Emergencies onboard, another has a security issue but have turned down assistance and are dealing with B6 corportate security. There is also a 757-200 (I assume North American) going to SJU and an ATA 753 going to MCO!
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU4115
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU4106
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU4015
Regards
LGA777
I am glad B6 is doing this. We need to do this I would say because I am personally getting tired of searching out other airlines to send passengers out on because we cannot fufill our needs right now.
Wow a DC-10 at Terminal 6 must be a quiet a sight!
Thanks for keeping us updated Ron.
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JetBlue Airways Pre-Cancels 23 Percent of its Scheduled Flights for Feb. 17 and Feb. 18, 2007
NEW YORK, Feb. 17, 2007 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- JetBlue Airways today
announces that it has pre-cancelled 23 percent of its Saturday, Feb. 17
and Sunday, Feb. 18 schedule in order to reset the operation by
positioning all aircraft and allowing flight crews to reset their
operating clocks. Further cancellations may occur throughout the
operating days.
The airline has canceled all flights to and from the following cities
for Saturday, Feb. 17 and Sunday Feb. 18:
Austin, TX
Bermuda
Charlotte, NC
Columbus, OH
Houston, TX
Jacksonville, FL
Nashville, TN
Pittsburgh, PA
Portland, ME
Raleigh/Durham, NC
Richmond, VA
JFK had a ground stop this morning for a few hours for B6 aircraft only, I'm assuming they still have a lack of gates?
Ron was right, it was an Omni DC-10.
The fligth from ATL was an empty ferry flight, to reposition the aircraft to pick up passengers. The flight then went to fly pax to Las Vegas.
JetBlue still needs a bit more lift...and a bit "more" lift is coming :)
-Rich
That sounds like a teaser of some sort. Spill it!
My money is on a World MD11
LGA777
That's what I was thinking about your guess with the DC-10. I thought it would be World.
Just found this DC-10 inbound to JFK from LGB, then looks like a ferry to BWI. Is this Omni or World ?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU4117
LGA777
Still working out the details.....you know how it works. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Phil D.
That one would be Omni....they've had plenty of planes just sitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by LGA777
-Rich
Better be something good with all this suspense, like an A346 rented from Virgin. :D
It was an Omni bird. Tommy, Josh May and I were at Firestone to catch her:Quote:
Originally Posted by LGA777
http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/130255711-L.jpg
I'm going to take a wild guess that the big teaser is they found a way to charter the VA and SkyBus A320s that have been largely sitting around unused. As the planes actually belong to banks/leasing companies, they can probably be flown by any certified operator (e.g., Jetblue) even if VA itself can't operate them.
Awesome shot of her moose!
"Meanwhile, back at the ranch..."Quote:
Originally Posted by RDU-JFK
and the question at hand.
WHY can't they go back after a few hours!?
Same cities that were canceled Saturday and Sunday.Quote:
JetBlue Extends Operational Recovery Through Monday, Feb. 19
NEW YORK, Feb. 17, 2007 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- JetBlue Airways this
evening announces further operational recovery programs through Monday,
Feb. 19. Details include:
Canceling 23 percent of Monday, Feb. 19 operations, including but not
limited to all flights to and from the following JetBlue destinations:
I know very little about airline logistics, but is this really bad compared to when other airlines' hubs get crippled by a storm, or has the media blown it out of proportion? For comparison, when EWR gets hit, is CO a disaster for five full days? NW at DTW?
The airline has not handled it very well....that's all I have to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
-Rich
Yeah, it has to be Jeblue not handling it well.
Northwest had one incident like this with weather as you probably all remember, but it only lasted until the storm ended. A few planes stuck out on the runways and taxiways and couldn't move for like 9 hours, but they were able to get back to the gate after that, and NW was at full operation within the hour.
I understand that a lot of this was because Jetblue expected the weather to ease up, and not worsen. So, they filled up their planes and left the gates to go que up for de-icing and to leave once the weather calmed down some. Then there was a shortage on de-icing fluid, and their gates became occupied by empty planes for the next wave of flights. So, there were so many planes all over that it became difficult to handle/manage/corrdinate/move, especially once the weather got worse.
Ultimately, the problem was that they expected the best in terms of weather scenario, and the airport ran low on de-icing fluid.
So getting back to the gate is some sort of major accomplishment, after 9+ hours of unjustifiable incarceration?!Quote:
Originally Posted by nwafan20
Were not just talking about sheer boredom and Aunt Poly waiting at arrivals looking for Sonny boy as the only consequence.
This could be a deadly affair for the elderly, someone with a blood clot situation or has to eat and take medication on time. Feel free to add on a host of other medical situations like this.
Passengers have done there part to gauge their time frame, 2 hours flight + expected delays can and do happen and are accounted for, but not 10 hours!
Again, WHY can't a plane return after a few hours????
And don't say "full gates". After 2 plus hours get a damn set of stairs and a bus.
I'm sorry, but with the exuberant NYNJPA budget, this can't be legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil D.
This is not the first year an airport and aviation has faced winter. This is the Northeast, and its just another day at the office.
The "storm" did not last for weeks.
Anyone projecting the image de-icing fluid is low is merely bucking to jack up the spending budget, and they do so any which way they can.
I'm not making an excuse for anything, but durring that time, we got about 2 feet of snow in a short amount of time, you couldn't move an aircraft if you tried. I wasn't making an excuse for NW, just merely saying they handled it much better than JetBlue.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingColors
Northwest Airlines ended up paying 7M in compensation to the passengers. Unlike JetBlue, once the storm passed and DTW opened back up, NWA was back to full operation within the hour.
That's because NWA has alot of experience in adverse situations...NWA Ops is prepared for this sort of thing. It's clear that JetBlue was not.Quote:
Originally Posted by nwafan20
-Rich
INTENSS, that is basically what I was attempting to say. You just said in 2 sentences what took me 4 paragraphs to say, can I take lessons? ;)
OHG...7M?!
Wow :shock:
Perhaps the wait was not that bad after all :lol:
This comes down to a total operational break down at B6 and IMO as I stated in another post I feel questions B6s safety practices. This isn't the first time its happened to them. Last year they were backlogged with passengers. Other airlines simply canceled their flights so when the storm past their planes would be where they needed them to be. The New York market is not one you want to screw with and B6 did a good job of creating a total cluster ****. They better have a damage control plan ready to roll or they are going to lose even more money then they already have. They are in a very bad spot right now.
Agreed. It will be impossible to undo the PR damage done by this mess. From now on, travelers are going to have major reservations about booking jetBlue flights during the winter regardless of price.Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Bird76
Not sure about B6 @ JFK but at my carrier at LGA we order and supply the deicing fluid, we DO NOT run out in Winter and if this was the Port at JFK's fault I would be surprised, if this is (I suspect) a B6 issue shame on them. You don't run out of fluid right before one of the biggest Winter travel weekends with freezing precip forecasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil D.
In defense though I worked that afternoon and the 734, 319, 321, and CR7 we deiced took about 3 times as long as usual due to condition of and type of frozen precip.
Regards
LGA777
One of JetBlue's senior execs was once quoted as saying that they outsource alot of operational functions (e.g. heavy maintenance to El Salvador) because management does not consider them to be "core," i.e. important to the customer. This sort of thing, i.e. focusing on the brand and customer "touchpoints," works very well in theory and Wall Street loves the concept (as they did when Valujet was doing something similar), but could it have played a part in the meltdown here?
In other words, since JetBlue does not control as much of its operation in house as other carriers, when something like this affects the system, there are more outsourced vendors and partners in different places to have to reset. Any comments?
Well, that was for about 3,000 PAX, so around $2,500 per PAX, still not to shabby!Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingColors
I can't wait to see what B6's stock price does this week.
Can you say "Wow, I never knew a stock price could fall that quickly!!"? ;)
Just heard on the news that JetBlue is saying they will be "80%" Monday and Tuesday, but it will be Wednesday before they are back to normal.