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Originally Posted by NIKV69

What does uploading it multiple times do to help sales?

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Because when a company does a search for photos, it's shown that they will go for photos that appear first in the listing, or the newest uploads. This is why.

Also, maybe the shooter like the newer shot better thanthe old one? This would NOt fall into the re-uplaod option, but the shootermight want to better represent their shot if that's what a client might want.

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Originally Posted by NIKV69

...there is just no need to upload it 5 times.

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THAT is what I'm debating you on, though, Nick. Telling people how many shots they SHOULD uplaod of something IS telling them how to practice their hobby.

You haven't expalined why it actually BOTHERS you, and are just so final with it. I mention points but you ignore it and keep saying the same stuff over and over again.

You are ASSUMING that the person is doing it just for total photo count. How would you know what is going on in a person's head that you've probably never met before?

If it was to improve total photos, why are you ASSUMING that it's purely for the status? They might have other motivations.

You so deeply engage in debates on several sites, and it would be great if you actually tried to consider other people's ideas alittle bit more. I've never seen someone apply such attention to a discussion while being 100% closed-minded towards other thoughts. Your whole debate style is how to try to shoot down other people's disagreements with you, not to consider them and dispell with rationalization.

If you're going to keep saying that people SHOULDN'T upload more tha oneof the same plane at a time with no further explanation or logic, then let me know and I'll stop replying and wasting my time with your stubborness.

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Originally Posted by phil d

Because when a company does a search for photos, it's shown that they will go for photos that appear first in the listing, or the newest uploads. This is why.

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This may be half right. My maxjet shot is one of the first so thus it appears last and I have gotten three requests for it. I just sold a G4 shot to an airport for a presentation that is two years old, so that pic would be on the bottom of the list. I think Airlines and the like browse the DB a little more thouroughly than you give them credit for.

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Originally Posted by phil d

THAT is what I'm debating you on, though, Nick. Telling people how many shots they SHOULD uplaod of something IS telling them how to practice their hobby.

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Phil you have to really get off your horse. I have never said anything like this. It has nothing to do with practicing the hobby. In fact this whole drama about how people enjoy the hobby, how it's about the people and not the hits is so overstated. Put it to bed. Nobody needs a guide on how this hobby should be practiced. All of us here were not even born when it started and we will all be long gone and it will still be going on so let's leave it at that. As far the topic that was started in this thread I believe Tommy is spot on.

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Originally Posted by phil d

You so deeply engage in debates on several sites, and it would be great if you actually tried to consider other people's ideas alittle bit more. I've never seen someone apply such attention to a discussion while being 100% closed-minded towards other thoughts. Your whole debate style is how to try to shoot down other people's disagreements with you, not to consider them and dispell with rationalization

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Phil just as you have your thoughts on what is most important in this hobby other people too have theirs. Just as you don't believe in "getting lost in the upload queue" there are some that like to upload to anet and succeed and get aggravated when they don't. It was this aggravation that all the BS about the anet screening policy and other conspiracy crap was born. Just because this is how you felt didn't mean you were getting lost in the upload queue at all. I also remember certain people here saying that if you cared about the upload queue on anet that much you "lost sight of the hobby" I found this to be BS and ridicouolous. It is you that said that everyone practices this hobby a little differntly right? I don't try to shoot anybody down here but IMO opinion people that upload the same regi needlessly (and lets call it 4 to 5 times at the same airport to give some benefit of the doubt) you are doing it simply to boost pic count. It isn't a way of self expression of the hobby, it is not to keep the pic current so potential buyers of a print will see it first when they scroll down either.

Nick...I think you're a bit out of line throwing around accusations toward people you don't even know on these upload sites. You have no idea what their M.O.'s are, nor should it matter to you. While you're claiming that "Nobody needs a guide on how this hobby should be practiced" you seem to be doing a sufficient job of penning the book yourself.

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Originally Posted by NIKV69

Phil you have to really get off your horse.

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And you need to get your head out of Johan's lap!


Sorry but a bit of humor needs to be injected here! This debate is steamy!

Horse? I'm the one saying that people should be allowed to upload what they want. Anet already has rules in place to prevnet excessive uploading.

As for "lost in the upload queue", I personally believe that people who take the uplaod queue too seriously are losing sight of why they got into this in the first place. I stand by my view, but I don't say that Anet should create rules based on my viewws or push my views on others.

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Originally Posted by mirrodie

And you need to get your head out of Johan's lap!

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LOLOL, good one Mario. Not to mention your Ninja cat makes me laugh.

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Originally Posted by mellyrose

you seem to be doing a sufficient job of penning the book yourself.

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Not really, just pointing out that uploading the same regi from the exact same angle from the same airport 5 times is pointless. Except to boost pic count and maybe to get your name in the "top uploaders" part of the home screen. I never have said how or what people should do. I find it a little needless to see the same pic 5 times with not so much as a angle change or a different motive or anything.

Ok here are my thoughts on this topic, first I can't believe so much time was wasted on this topic today when it was such a nice day and you could have BEEN OUT SPOTTING!!!! :wink: :wink: j/k I agree with both Phil and Nick on the points they made. First, I like Phil believe everyone shoots and uploads for their own reasons, whatever reasons those are I don't care, everyone has their own personal choices and they should enjoy their hobby. As an example today I was spotting with someone from LA and he just loves the Euro stuff we see each and every time we go to JFK, he was shooting everything and I wasn't. But he loved what he was seeing and that's cool; all of us had a good time.

Nick has a point that there are people who shoot everything in the sky over and over and over and over again and upload it. My point from where I was coming from based off my own tastes is that it’s a waste. If you’re a professional photographer and not a newbie then you should have the good taste to limit what you upload if you know we’ve seen it before, self-screening needs to be done allot more.

I don’t believe in the same rule though for newbies. We have a lot of new guys here that have been taking some really good stuff, as an example Gordon has a really keen eye. Since he is limited to what he uploads when someone comes along and dumps 10 shots of an American 757 from Costco for example it pushes good unique and new photographers photos down the line where not everyone may get the chance to see them. Those are the motives I don't like. Is there a right or wrong answer? No there really isn't, the upload rules say you can upload what you like so hey go ahead. It comes down to basic manners. Take a look at what you have, what you’ve uploaded and ask yourself how does this contribute to the enjoyment of the hobby for others. There’s nothing wrong with shotting everything from an RJ to a Jumbo but this is hobby that is shared by many people, let everyone enjoy it.

THanks Nick, me really rike me ninja cat. :lol:



when it was such a nice day and you could have BEEN OUT SPOTTING!!!!



T-Bird76
Needs to Post Less, Watch More Planes

Tom is the only one that actually follows the credo above his avatar. :)

Now if only I could gets me some typing lessons!



Hey wait a minute, you started this thread Tom!!! LOL