I myself have spotted at ISP - that was on 8-09-04 - and the cop was a real d**k. " CANT YOU READ THE SIGN NO TRESSPASSING- GOODBYE!!". I guess we should all go to dunking doughnuts before visiting ISP ehh =P
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I myself have spotted at ISP - that was on 8-09-04 - and the cop was a real d**k. " CANT YOU READ THE SIGN NO TRESSPASSING- GOODBYE!!". I guess we should all go to dunking doughnuts before visiting ISP ehh =P
Your comments and attitude towards police and tresspassing laws are a wonderful contribution to the aviaiton enthusiast community. We all thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by N790SW
Where were you Bobby? If you were on public property why would he say that too you?
Phil, I think he's just frustrated in the way law enforcement treats people who are doing nothing wrong. But you do bring up a good point...Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil D.
While I understand your (N790SW) frustration, we need to all remember that our actions reflect on our hobby and on fellow spotters. Comments made that insult or attack a law enforcement official, who probably does have good intentions at heart, won't be received well, and will just lead to futher disputes and complications for all spotters, will which ultimately widen the rift between spotters and law enforcement officials.
Granted, I don't spot a lot, and I've never really been harrassed by the police, so I don't have the "experience" notched in my belt. But, I do think that it is important that we maintain our composure when dealing with law enforcement and try to rationalize with them and be positive examples of how harmless our hobby is. While we may not win each individual battle, if spotters kept displaying a positive attitude towards law enforcement, even if it means packing up for the day, I think word would get around soon enough that we're harmless and just looking to enjoy our hobby. Personally, I believe that it's when we are aggressive and vengeful towards law enforcement that we receive a bad name, which encourages the police to crack down on us and harrass us as much as they legally can...
Well, I don't know exactly where he was, but if he really was tresspassing, then he was doing something wrong.
Hi N790SW... Yes, for the sake of the hobby at least, and probably just in general.. the police are the ones we'll be calling (probably) in certain emergencies, so its not only best to give them some respect here for practical reasons, but they also deserve better than blanket insults here, just on principle alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by N790SW
Lets remember its not (usually) a glamorous job, and in some localities it pays poorly for the work etc..
I agree with you though, that if it was at all possible you or someone else *might* have "missed" the sign, or you had not been told previously etc, its a ****ty way to approach you. The NYPD have that slogan now.. Courtesy, Professionalism, Respect. Its there for a reason and all law enforcement should follow that (whenever reasonably possible).
Tom
You guy do understand the incident he refers to happen 2 1/2 years ago? The SCPD Airport Operations CO is now aware of spotting and has advised his officers.
Tom in many cases your right but SCPD are the highest paid in the nation and have a very cushy job. IMO these folks should take a pay cut, there is no reason an SCPD officer needs to be making over 100 grand a year. The job isn't nearly as risky as NYC and they don't even have to have a four year degree (which is problem IMO).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom_Turner
The sign Bobby is talking about is more then likely the general no trespassing sign hung on the perimeter fence around the airport. Unlike LGA and JFK which are owned by Port, ISP is owned directly by the town and is totally public property outside the fence. This sounds like a classic example of cop seeing a teenager and acting out of line because he thinks he can talk to Bobby that way.
I understand EMS..and thank you for your efforts on our behalf.. much appreciated. I only posted in response to Bobby because he had posted only a day or so ago. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by emshighway
Tom
NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Bird76
just kidding.. Point taken Tommy.
Hopefully, like EMS says, things are better for everyone now. :)
I agree with you Tommy... There is no reason they need to make that kind of loot..... I told buddies of mine who were officers down in Florida about SCPD and they said that was sickening..... No rreason but hey they enjoy it. If they can sucker the county into that kind of pay than more power to them I guess .
You guys have it all wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiss srq
Getting clunked over the head with a DSLR is very dangerous. Its a serious life and death situation that comes with the job. Furthermore camera gear is often manufactured with toxic chemicals, increasing the chance of a shortened life.