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He called for it to be cut because a lot of our sources for electricity DO damage the environment. If his aren't, then it's not a problem.
The bottom line is that the article doesn't show all the facts, jsut as you siad yourself. So, you shouldn't judge him. I'm a Republican and think his movie is a farce, but you sitll have to see that this article is unfair.
If you think otherwise you are just looking to add another label on him and are not being reasonable.
Phil are you tipping the back end of a bottle up right now? Or are you taking cues from my new book "Learn to type like Ryan"?
But take in account all the other sources of energy he uses, and it states that his bill was ... You don't get a bill if you are using your own solar panels.
My thoughts of Al Gore being a hypocrite stem back way before this article, but I agree, it is dangerous to speculate either way (if he uses clean energy or fossil fuels) and to form an opinion of him based on this article.
It all depends on where they got this info from. One would assume they got it from public records somehow in order to know how much energy he used and how much he paid for it. There would only be public records if he was buying the energy from somewhere as opposed to generating it on his own. If he made 221,000 kwh own, or even a percentage of it, and there happened to be a record of it, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be bringing it up because that would only make him look good.
Also, taking your house "off the grid," even partially, is an extremely expensive and complex undertaking. There's no doubt that had the Gores done this, they would have made a huge deal about it in the media and milked it for every penny's worth.
But you can still get a high bill if the electricity from your area comes form windmills or hydropower.Quote:
Originally Posted by nwafan20
But again, we go back to the fact that most likely it didn't. Most of Americas electricity comes from coal.
http://soundpolitics.com/archives/006650.htmlQuote:
Al currently uses no green energy sources in either his 20,000-square foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom Memphis home or his 4,000-square foot Arlington, Virginia home. He has controlled hundreds of thousands of dollars in Occidental Petroleum stock even as the company came under attack for drilling in ecologically dicey zones. He gets $20,000 a year in zinc mining royalties from property on which his third home sits, in Carthage, Tennessee.
So, looks like all his power comes from non-green resources.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 01&sc=1000Quote:
In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions have signed up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents. But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences.
Um, how do you not have a political opinion in a thread about a political person? Point is, he is preaching one thing, and doing another. If you look, I didn't state all liberals because some liberals are actually right minded, just (in my opinion) misled. But the elitists (I.e. Gore, Edwards, Kerry and the bunch) are a bunch of hypocrites.
Easy. You separate the two. I have no problem with you backing claims with sources, as you just did above. And I have no problem calling a spade a spade. But your credibility falls short when you start throwing about temrs like liberal elitists. They just don't belong in this thread.
As I said, I don't care for Al Gore. But I think the cause he brings to the forefront is clear and needs to be addressed. I doubt he is duping millions with lies. He may even be a hypocrit evev though I doubt that article is two-sided.
I just do when I can in my own environs. Bamboo floors, decreased use of oil, planned solar panels. I like the idea of a clean home and incororate those ideas as I update our home.
I turn off all the lights when I watch T.V, does that count as envio firendly? lol
Conserving is no problem, the problem comes where someone uses lies to try to convince others to do that.
Al Gore dupes many by saying everything as a fact, and using skewed evidence to support it. His propaganda includes showing pictures of melting glaciers, but he fails to point out that other glaciers are growing!
As for me calling him a liberal elitist, lets take a look at the term elitist:
e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (ĭ-lç'tĭz'əm, â-lç'-)
n.
The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
That sure sounds like Al Gore to me! He feels that others should cut consumption, yet he fails to do it because he feels he deserves more than the rest of us.
Just as long as you fart with the windows closed, why waste the heat. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Bird76
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...542636/#menu26
Replies 8 and 13 are interesting. That thread has more aspects in it to consider. But the problem again is the same morons who can't discuss an issue without reviewing all the facts or injecting unecessary tainted political views into it.
Yeah, just don't light a match in that same room, especially after Mike's had lunch at the In and Out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midnight Mike
If it's shown that his area does not use any sort of renewable energy, then perhaps he should do more about that.
But I think that one should give him at least just a ltitle leeway for the fact that it is obvious that any person with a lrger home who is a former VP of the US that has security systems will use a litle more juice than the average person.
Very good point. I think however Gore is taking this save energy thing a bit to serious. Did you see him? HE'S HUGE!! He needs to expel some energy on the exercise bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil D.
Well, do I have to come up with the answer that is best all around? Nix th eexercise bike.
Get a human sized hamster wheel and hook it up to a turbine generator.
Throw Al Gore on it and let him run like Forrest Gump.
-NWAFan will be happy b/c Gore will no longer be a hypocrit (...um, nix that, he'd have to change parties too)
-He'll lose weight.
-He'll create an abundance of renewable energy and decreased greenhouse emissions.
Geez, do I have to do all the thinking around here?!