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They have it in the hangar.... this has been discussed to death already. It would cost over 1million dollars for the pedestal to be built and in the end you have a MODEL of an airplane for a million dollars when you could have had a fleet of actual aircraft restored for the museum. It does not make any sense to put a Concorde up for that amount of money. Unless your diehard Concorde fanatics that do not follow the normal logic where a real plane would not be as desirable as a model of a failed airliner. Im just saying......Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedbird1
I wouldn't quite call the SST a failure... First flown in 1969, Concorde entered service in 1976 and continued commercial flights for 27 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derf
I'm just saying... :cool: LOL
Bill
.......and here we go......Quote:
Originally Posted by Billbo1970
No Bill, your wrong....Quote:
Originally Posted by Billbo1970
http://nycaviation.com/forum/threads...light=concorde
Post in this thread after you read the entire thread... I want to hear why
It may raise your blood pressure, but it is true
NASA T38 just landed on 22L at Kennedy.
I wonder which airport its going to relocate to....SWF or FRG?
So the current JFK ATIS says winds 190 @ 7, visibility 10 Miles, few clouds at 4,500, broken at 10,000 and 25,000 and the radar looks clear up the coast between DC and JFK. Tell me again why the flight was postponed? Lewis Black was right - Meteorologist is the Greek word for liar.
You couldn't be any more right Moose....I had a feeling that today was going to be a perfect day to be down there watching her arrive.
Well, I agree with this post:Quote:
Originally Posted by Derf
Financially, yes... it was a failure & did not meet expectations... or even come close. But the advances in technology & all of the data learned in developing this aircraft are invaluable. It was also physically a success in that it worked, and flew for 27 years. Only the rich & famous could afford to fly it, but it did in fact fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by mirrodie
Anyone read the latest popular science? It appears that there will be a few new SST's coming out in 2025, 2030, & 2035 (if target dates are met... which is doubtful). They are economical, green, & far less noisy. Go grab the issue if you haven't read it!
Bill
Well, I for one am glad it was post-poned because I only just learned of this!Quote:
Originally Posted by steve1840
Bill
Do you guys think we would get a decent glimpse back around the Coliseum area? Not looking for a photo Op, just want to see this with my own eyes without taking a 1/2 day.
Yes it's lovely here in NYC. Good visibility and winds are tolerable. Heading to the Intrepid now anyway. At least I can re-visit my beloved Concorde which flew supersonic for over 2 decades and even broke the record. Hopefully, Friday will be the day!
Technically, the Enterprise is sort of a model as well. She never had engines and was basically a glider. Did she have any cockpit controls?
Wrong, the Enterprise is NOT A MODEL....it was a space shuttle like the others. It was desinged for testing and Operation. it did all the landing testing and also was going to get a real heat shield and put into space. The ejection system for the pilots was one of the reasons why it was not converted. It had a full flightdeck, full controls and was missing engines and tiles ONLY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedbird1
"The design of OV-101 was not the same as that planned for OV-102, the first flight model; the tail was constructed differently, and it did not have the interfaces to mount OMS pods. A large number of subsystems—ranging from main engines to radar equipment—were not installed on this vehicle, but the capacity to add them in the future was retained. Instead of a thermal protection system, its surface was primarily covered with simulated tiles made from polyurethanefoam."
If the most recent information is correct, the shuttle and ferry landing on 31L - can anyone tell me what we can identify as the landing path? Sorry Im a newb - just trying to figure out where to be and how to get there for some photos around JFK and I was wondering if it would land coming from the west or east and how did that line up with some of the photos I saw with the NYC skyline in the background when taxi-ing...
thanks for any information... I'll be out there and am willing to share some gear if anyone needs it. I'll be traveling with a 600 and 300 and teleconvertors.
Yeah, the weather conditions this morning are probably better than what we'll have for Friday :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by moose135
At this point, they might as well wait until Monday because the weather looks PERFECT then !! :cool:
The shots you have seen on here of aircraft taxiing with the NYC skyline in the backgroud are of planes waiting to take off on 4L. Unfortunately these kinds of backgrounds will not be able to be gotten of the shuttle/sca combo landing on 31L. As for the approach path into 31L, look for Inwood Park or Bayswater State Park on google maps as those will be your best bets for photo ops of her on approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by DustinF
Thanks Steve - appreciate the information... I've been looking at the Spotting Map/Guide and can see the bays water. I've also been looking to see what area's in NJ on the Piers might give me a NYC Background or Liberty Background with its path, if, it indeed does all of the loop that has been noted on the NYC Aviation Page...Quote:
Originally Posted by steve1840
It's a risk, go to the AirPort and get the shot that almost everyone will get or go to the pier and not get anything...
decisions decisions...
dustin, as far as finding a pier on the NJ side to shoot from, you will most likely end up with an extremely backlit shot as at that time of the day, the sun will be shining directly in your face from the NJ side of the river.
Thanks Steve, I was thinking of shooting from the pier, facing north towards the statue of liberty, I thought it would be over head or at least more from the east before noon. I'll have to see... I figured I would at least grab a shot of it coming down the river towards the liberty and then as it passes across it.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve1840
I was really thinking that the sun wouldn;t be in my face... I have to re-think this...
Let's be fair, it was a space shuttle PROTOTYPE, not a bonafied space shuttle like all the others because it is NOT like all the others. It had a somewhat different design and never shuttled anything to space. It was as much a space shuttle as the YF-22 is a current in-service F-22. Just because it was going to be turned INTO a real shuttle someday doesn't mean it currently IS a real shuttle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derf
In other words, it provided the baseline FOR the space shuttle, but it in itself is not the final product. It's a, so to speak, pre-space shuttle.
QFT...Quote:
Originally Posted by wunaladreamin
SunCalc can be your friend: http://www.suncalc.net/#/40.6896,-74...12.04.27/10:30Quote:
Originally Posted by DustinF
Thanks, my head just exploded... I read it 4x - still cannot figure out what the deal is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vidiot
True. The Enterprise is more than a model yet she's not a true Orbiter either. Could she be called a prototype Orbiter? She's not exactly an Orbiter which could fly into Space. How is she designated so not to confuse her with Orbiters such as Discovery?
Disappointed schoolkids here at the Intrepid. They visited today and would have been treated to the thrill of a Shuttle Fly-by. I wonder if they knew it had been canceled? The weather here is partly sunny, breezy from the south and good visibility.
I had taken the day off at work so I am hanging at JFK with Steve Furst when all of a sudden we here the shuttle carrier keys up!!! She did all the flybys and parked by the south end of the field. I thought she was due in Friday?!?!?
http://www.longislandwallpapers.com/...-X8L6M5M-L.jpg
Grabbing some popcorn...shhhh
You should have added some lightning - that would have made this an epic shot!
That's the interesting thing about the shuttles. They all have official OV designations regardless if they flew at all or not. For example, OV-098 is on the record as a shuttle, but it was a mock up that never left the ground. Similarly, even the wooden simulator used to train the astronauts is on the record as shuttle OV-095. So, the designations and what you call them means little in terms to what they actually are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedbird1
seriously! Perriwen, its time for you to go find something else do to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perriwen
No one has brought this up, but you my reason Enterprise is my favorite, I'm a Star Trek Fan.
We have an actual Lunar Module at the cradle of aviation museum, it never flew into space, never landed on the moon, but you know what it's pretty damn cool. So whether it flew into space or not should not be a factor to determine if its real.
The Enterprise is a significant part of the American Space Program.
I'll say it again, You're just a bitter Texan, Floridian, wherever your from.
Likewise, I could say you're a self-absorbed New Yorker in denial that you aren't getting a shuttle that flew into space. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by eric8669
Also, again. We have the only full Saturn V that was intended for use, and an Apollo spacecraft that carried men to the moon. That trumps glider any day. <3
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...8/CIMG5772.jpg
Could someone please pass me the popcorn and a beer?? This is getting good again...
Eric.... He just needs a hug. If you come up to New York.... I will take care of you
1st.. I will take the day off and we can start by going to the Intreped, I hear that they are going to have a shuttle soon and it may be neat to take you to see it.
2nd, we will go to the Cradle of aviaion and I will show you a Concorde Model that is in storage, we will ponder over the Spirit of Saint Louis pondering if it was a real aircraft of merely a backup but not really official since it never really made the flight but still carries the Title Spirit of Saint Louis....
3rd, we will look at the Mockup of the X-29 and discuss how it was not a real airplane but is full scale unlike the Concorde Model.
4th, We will to Republic Airport where Phil D, John K, John M, Kenny and the other Kenny, Mario, Eric, Manny and I will be more than happy to give you a hug.
We like to share our beloved collection with others and I promise that the forum guys will be more than happy to show your our Space Shuttle that never went into orbit and could have been modified but never was so it is all just an irrelevant bunch of crap anyway. So come and enjoy our Orbiter, or Shuttle or Flying Brick..... we would love to have you -Cheers -Fred
You guys are too funny. Seriously. XD
Ya trying to say you do not want to see our glider? Come on....you know you'll like it! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Perriwen
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Originally Posted by Derf
But Moose.....there was no lightning when it arrived!
ha! What that map shows is the position of the sun during the day on Friday, centered on Liberty Island. At 10:30am, the sun will be coming from that orange line going southeast from Liberty Island. (the yellow line points the direction toward sunrise, and the dark orange line points the direction toward sunset.)Quote:
Originally Posted by DustinF
amazing how they fixed the place on the leading edge of the left wing where they removed the chunk to test it...
Your amazed??? ITS NASA!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vidiot